Stop dropping FHs....

[usvi]

By the way, it's hangar, not hanger.     

How about a visual aid?

Hanger...


Hangar...


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[Steve]

How about a visual aid?

Hanger...
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Hangar...
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lol

[DREDger]

By the way, it's hangar, not hanger.     

Lol, ok touche.

Doesn't change the price of tea though. 

If people want to drop hangars, furball, vulch, spawncamp, seek perk points, or play for rank, toolshed, bomb factories, or win the war, WHATEVER, that is their business.  Always seems to be some group that pops up to tell others they're "ruining" the game by doing something they don't approve of.... blablabla, it soooo banal.

This thread is a prime example, where the author presumes to know why others drop FH (perk points from winning the war), and tells them to stop because it is...well...bad.

Well, guess what, HTC seems fine with the arrangement because they haven't changed it to make hangars indestructible.  So stop  overthinking it guys, this 'asking others for permission' to drop hangars silly.  Hangars go down for 15 minutes, big whoop.

[WMLute]

Lol, ok touche.

Doesn't change the price of tea though. 

If people want to drop hangars, furball, vulch, spawncamp, seek perk points, or play for rank, toolshed, bomb factories, or win the war, WHATEVER, that is their business.  Always seems to be some group that pops up to tell others they're "ruining" the game by doing something they don't approve of.... blablabla, it soooo banal.

This thread is a prime example, where the author presumes to know why others drop FH (perk points from winning the war), and tells them to stop because it is...well...bad.

Well, guess what, HTC seems fine with the arrangement because they haven't changed it to make hangars indestructible.  So stop  overthinking it guys, this 'asking others for permission' to drop hangars silly.  Hangars go down for 15 minutes, big whoop.

It boils down to couresy towards the other players.

I agree that intent is diff. to establish.

I was fighting an nme last night and had been for a good 5min.  They had a ton of alt/e on me and I had finally bled their E and had them saddled and was 1-2 moves from killing them.

A friendly started flying towards me and I head a squaddie tell them on range vox to please not interrupt my fight.  The friendly kept coming.  Another squaddie asked him to stay out and I chimed in on range to please stay out of the fight as I had things well in hand.

Said player ignored all the request, came barreling in and killed the guy I was fighing with moments before I would have killed them.

Now here is where intent comes into the picture.  Did they kill the guy out of malice or ignorance?  Was the friendlies intent to just steal the kill I had worked very hard on and ruin the fight or were they just too new/stupid to understand what was going on?  Perhaps they felt they were "helping" me out.

This thread is like that.  It is very hard to judge the intent of the bomber pilots who drop FH's.  They COULD be just trying to grief all the players enjoying this wonderfull fight OR they could be trying to capture the base and out of ignorance thought they were helping.

One players 'great fight' is another players 'base capture'.

Intent is a tough one to judge.

[Steve]

Lol, ok touche.

Doesn't change the price of tea though. 

If people want to drop hangars, furball, vulch, spawncamp, seek perk points, or play for rank, toolshed, bomb factories, or win the war, WHATEVER, that is their business.  Always seems to be some group that pops up to tell others they're "ruining" the game by doing something they don't approve of.... blablabla, it soooo banal.

This thread is a prime example, where the author presumes to know why others drop FH (perk points from winning the war), and tells them to stop because it is...well...bad.

Well, guess what, HTC seems fine with the arrangement because they haven't changed it to make hangars indestructible.  So stop  overthinking it guys, this 'asking others for permission' to drop hangars silly.  Hangars go down for 15 minutes, big whoop.

Well I don't presume to tell others how they should play.....except maybe for those Ho'ers, but there are instances where buff pilots will kill Fh's in order to end a furball in order to "stop people from  scorewhoring". I've also heard "free up resources". In both instances, buff sticks are trying to determine how other's play. The buff side is just as guilty in trying to dictate game play.

[Chapel]

I have to agree with Lutes on this one...
Intent is dang near impossible to determine.
That said, I doubt that 98% of the population are dropping hangars of some sort with the intent to ruin someone's day (except the enemies).
They have an agenda, and it's probably as innocent as anyone's.

In Lutes example with the fighter ignoring the warnings, he probably wasn't intent on ruining Lutes fight, but more likely interested in scoring the kill himself.
That might be greedy, inconsiderate, and he should probably be taken out back and beaten with a rubber hose...
But he probably wasn't intending to ruin the fight (even if it was a jack-hole move). That was just a byproduct.

Unfortunately that can happen with bombers/dogfighters. Bombers want to help the cause, drop the hangars, which in turn might wreck some really good dogfighting. Bottom line though, they probably aren't trying to wreck someone's fun. Besides, as was mentioned, they have just as much right to drop bombs wherever they like, just as you can start a dogfight anywhere. That's the advantage that HTC has set up. The maps have multiple points of contact and there's always another place to start a fight, and those hangars will be back up in 15mins anyway.

On a final note, lots of times if a base is under attack, to take pressure off a squad launches bombers to drop the hangars to give the base under attack a chance to regroup and catch it's breath. How is a bomber pilot to know what the enemy intend to do. Those fighter pilots might think it's just a furball, but someone else might interpret that furball as an attack on a friendly base (which it usually is). As a defensive tactic they wipe out the hangars.

I guess my point is, if at all possible, announce your intentions. Try and help the team out, and don't wrag on the bomber pilots. They are few and far between, especially when you need them johnny on the spot. To say they're ruining your fun, because you were just interested in a fight, isn't fair. The main arenas are all out war. If it's just a fight you're looking for, then the dueling arena is always packed in the donut of death and you can almost guarantee that the hangars will always be up there.

[uptown]

Sometimes it's just plain fun Besides, with several hundred hangars on a map.....there's always another poppin' somewhere 

[uptown]

Well I don't presume to tell others how they should play.....except maybe for those Ho'ers, but there are instances where buff pilots will kill Fh's in order to end a furball in order to "stop people from  scorewhoring". I've also heard "free up resources". In both instances, buff sticks are trying to determine how other's play. The buff side is just as guilty in trying to dictate game play.

But aren't furballers guilty of trying to "dictate" game play also? Some folks just aren't good in fighters and need some way to fight. I prefer to furball also but shutting a field down can determine whether a field is won or lost. And I'd rather take a field then lose one.

[bj229r]

Lol Dredger...HOW many times has your group begun the task of 'winning the war' on Ndisles by starting with taking TT? Ok...4 bases down, 10-15 to go.... What tactical sense does it make (if we're talking 'win the war' here) to make a probe into the DEAD CENTER of the enemy lines? (Battle of the Somme comes to mind---310,000 dead soldiers) What invariably happens is 75_+ people have been rudely relieved of their evening's fun, and you never win the frikkin map ANYway--The logical assumption is your bigger task is to stop those idiots from having mindless fun, and to get them back on the 'proper' task, which you continually deny

[DREDger]

I think BJ is something of a stalker, he continually brings up my name on these posts.  I haven't even played in 2 months yet to hear him rant I'm the bane of his existence.  (Did I ruin your fun?  )

Besides which, this thread is about whether or not FH's should be dropped, not the capture of tank town dude.   

[Guppy35]

But aren't furballers guilty of trying to "dictate" game play also? Some folks just aren't good in fighters and need some way to fight. I prefer to furball also but shutting a field down can determine whether a field is won or lost. And I'd rather take a field then lose one.

So if the 'furballers' get a fight started on what was a dead part of the map, with the intent of air combat, and both sides are enjoying that air combat, would it not be common courtesy of someone who sees that fight, to at least ask before flattening the hangars?

If the notion is anything goes, then I guess that means I can announce on 200 that bombers from my side are inbound so that other guys can shoot them before the hangers die?

Seems like there is plenty of room for both types of gameplay to go one without one wrecking it for the other.

Funny part is I don't see folks telling the other side that bombers are enroute, yet I do see bomber guys deliberately killing the furball on many occasion by killing the hangers.

As mentioned from the other night, we set up the furball away from the everyone else and both sides were enjoyingi it.  Thankfully the bomber guys on the side I was on, respected our request to not kill the field and moved elsewhere.

[gyrene81]

I was fighting an nme last night and had been for a good 5min.  They had a ton of alt/e on me and I had finally bled their E and had them saddled and was 1-2 moves from killing them.

A friendly started flying towards me and I head a squaddie tell them on range vox to please not interrupt my fight.  The friendly kept coming.  Another squaddie asked him to stay out and I chimed in on range to please stay out of the fight as I had things well in hand.

Said player ignored all the request, came barreling in and killed the guy I was fighing with moments before I would have killed them.

That was just an a-hole...and a rubber hose behind the shed would be too nice.

[Steve]

But aren't furballers guilty of trying to "dictate" game play also?

How are all furballers guilty of this?

[CAP1]

It boils down to couresy towards the other players.

I agree that intent is diff. to establish.

I was fighting an nme last night and had been for a good 5min.  They had a ton of alt/e on me and I had finally bled their E and had them saddled and was 1-2 moves from killing them.

A friendly started flying towards me and I head a squaddie tell them on range vox to please not interrupt my fight.  The friendly kept coming.  Another squaddie asked him to stay out and I chimed in on range to please stay out of the fight as I had things well in hand.

Said player ignored all the request, came barreling in and killed the guy I was fighing with moments before I would have killed them.

Now here is where intent comes into the picture.  Did they kill the guy out of malice or ignorance?  Was the friendlies intent to just steal the kill I had worked very hard on and ruin the fight or were they just too new/stupid to understand what was going on?  Perhaps they felt they were "helping" me out.

This thread is like that.  It is very hard to judge the intent of the bomber pilots who drop FH's.  They COULD be just trying to grief all the players enjoying this wonderfull fight OR they could be trying to capture the base and out of ignorance thought they were helping.

One players 'great fight' is another players 'base capture'.

Intent is a tough one to judge.

i know this isn't the topic here.......but the above scenario you mentioned.........THAT is why i wish they'd turn killshooter off. i've had squaddies in the past, shooting right over my shoulder, trying to take down the guy i've been working on for awhile.
 i've had guys come in when i asked em to stay out.......when this happens, i exit the fight, and let the dude i was fighting kill em........but it sooooo incredibly fun to frag the dude tryin to steal my kill,,,,,,or tryin to help me when i don;t want it, thus ruining a perfectly fun fight.

[uptown]

The point i'm trying to make is furballing in itself is a type of game play, just as base taking or war winning is.
Who's in my fight dictates the rules for me. If the Muppets or Sapp were over my field I'll know what this fight is all about. I don't have to go kill troops, ord, or VH because losing my airfield would be the least of my worries  
Just as if I were fighting the Jokers or Rolling Thunder, I'd have to go drop some ord on their troops and ord or my field would be theirs shortly.

I really don't think people set out to ruin a fight by taking out the FHs unless they want to take the base.