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Offline HoHun

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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2001, 04:39:00 AM »
Hi Wotan,

>Does anyone have 190f8 performance figures that we can compare with ahs fw190f8.

If the Fw 190F-8 is within 100 kg of the A-8's weight, it should be 12 to perhaps 20 km/h slower at sea level than the published numbers for the Fw 190A-8 due to the drag of the bomb racks.

That should be 544 - 556 km/h at sea level at 1.58 ata manifold pressure (44.4" Hg).

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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2001, 07:53:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Voss:
Did you ever consider that, perhaps, the Panzer or LVT hit you with the BIG gun?

I considered it, then dismissed it.  Maybe I should consider it again.  I heard the 7.92 MG hitting me (it goes tap tap tap tap like a .303, much different than a .50 or a 20mm), and I pretty much ignored it.  Then right as I flew over him, I exploded.  However, I did see his main gun while I was making my run, it was pointed to his 12 OC, and not his 6 OC.  I was coming from his 6 OC.  

The only thing that I can think that would have happened would be he saw me coming (which he obviously did), and swung the cupola MG around, and hit me with it a few times.  Then (and this would be supposition), he switched to the main gun, which would have been aimed at me since that is where the MG was shooting.  He fired a round and got lucky, or he was lagging really bad.  Yes, that is a possibility.  I wouldn't consider it a strong one, but it is a possibility.  

 
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Ummm...pilot kill maybe? You did say that you exploded....that usually means pilot kill.

I would think that even if our 190F8 only had pilot armor that it would protect him from rifle caliber rounds.  Wouldn't part of the cockpit armor be an armored floor and windscreen?  

Speaking of which, I think it is kind of silly to model the ground attack varient of a plane, but NOT to include the armor that they had to protect them.  Increase the weight of the plane, decrease the performance, but make it a lot tougher for a single .30 or .50 to kill you from the front.  I feel the same way about the IL-2 (I've shot them down with the single .50 in the M3 as well), that plane should be well-neigh invulnerable from the front and bottom front.  The plane was supposedly a flying "tank", which is an apt description of its flight characteristics (in AH at least), but definately not in terms of durability.

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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2001, 09:48:00 AM »
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here is some data :
Max bomb load : 750Kg
Max Speed at altitude : 664 km/h at 6700m
Mx Speed at Alt with max bombload : 520km/h at 5800m
Initial rate of climb : 10.8m/s
Initial rate of climb with max bombload : 6.25m/s
Range : 1370km
Range with Max bombload : 775km
Service celing : 10360m
Service celing with max bombload : 7250m
Take off distance with max bombload : 860m

I hope it helps.
Butch

 

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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2001, 01:23:00 PM »
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I would think that even if our 190F8 only had pilot armor that it would protect him from rifle caliber rounds.  Wouldn't part of the cockpit armor be an armored floor and windscreen?  

Speaking of which, I think it is kind of silly to model the ground attack varient of a plane, but NOT to include the armor that they had to protect them.  Increase the weight of the plane, decrease the performance, but make it a lot tougher for a single .30 or .50 to kill you from the front.  I feel the same way about the IL-2 (I've shot them down with the single .50 in the M3 as well), that plane should be well-neigh invulnerable from the front and bottom front.  The plane was supposedly a flying "tank", which is an apt description of its flight characteristics (in AH at least), but definately not in terms of durability.

Armored floors were installed on the FW 190 A8 series.  One of the techniques for attacking bombers was to roll their wings after their attack so that the belly was showing, this gave them an added protection to those buff 50's.

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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2001, 02:39:00 PM »
Fw 198F-8 weight analysis :
A/C with Armor and ETC 501 : 3786 Kg
Pilot in full gear : 100 Kg
Fuel in fuselage tanks : 410 Kg
Oil : 50 Kg
Munition MGs : 77 Kg
Munitions Cannons : 110 Kg
Total Weight : 4533 Kg

Bomb on ETC 501 : 516 Kg
Bombs on 4 ETC 50 under wing : 200 Kg
Bombs on 4 ETC 71 under wing : 280 Kg
Add Fule Tank 115l : 120 Kg
Winter Equipment : 25 Kg
Max Total Take Off Weight : 5474 Kg

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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2001, 05:04:00 PM »
thanx Butch.... :)