Blast from the past - Wild Bill going to spin off Warbirds from totalsims?

[Bronk]

397 people are playing Il-2 through hyperlobby right now.  That doesn't even account for servers not listed on hyperlobby.

But this isn't about Il-2.  It's about whether there's a market for something like an RPS.  The evidence says there is.

Ultimately, you believe it sucks, and you move to the generalization that it sucks in itself.  FYI, you do not create transcendent values with your opinions.  Some of us like the RPS very much.

How may set ups in hyperlobby are rps... small% are rps.
Hyperlobby has a bunch of easymode set ups also. Wondering if those aren't the most populated.

HTC know it's bad for business. Why is it bad for business? Majority do not like it. Not a small majority either, otherwise HTC would have an arena set up for it.

[alskahawk]

 Warbirds was cr*p when I played it. Most days there were only 50 or 60 people playing in all the arenas combined. The forums were sad. People talkin about how their squads used to have 40 or more people and now done to less than 10(at the time I was there).
  Sounds like this guy is blustering about something that isn't going to amount to much. They need to change their marketing, game play, and a whole bunch of issues in order to be viable.

[Anaxogoras]

Keep back-peddling bronk. 

Face it.  Some of us just love a RPS.  We just love, love, love, love it to death!

[Bronk]

It is very difficult to have a rolling plane set, when you do not have any players to roll them with.  

Hitech

The implication being "rps" drives players away.

[Bronk]

Keep back-peddling bronk. 

Face it.  Some of us just love a RPS.  We just love, love, love, love it to death!

Back peddling?
It's a business killer and HTC knows it. I have yet to back away from this statement.

[Stalwart]

Warbirds was cr*p when I played it. Most days there were only 50 or 60 people playing in all the arenas combined. The forums were sad. People talkin about how their squads used to have 40 or more people and now done to less than 10(at the time I was there).
  Sounds like this guy is blustering about something that isn't going to amount to much. They need to change their marketing, game play, and a whole bunch of issues in order to be viable.

Yeah... but, back in the day, it rocked.  I remember logging on on a Friday night in 2000 with over 200 ppl online.  What a blast that was.  But I wouldn't be inclined to go back to that particular game version today any more than I would be inclined to go back to Aces of the Pacific.  Whoever (Dale?) was responsible for the development of Warbirds produced a really cool piece of work that entertained a lot of people for a long time.

[eagl]

HT and I left the company 6 months before the Grapevine office closed and shortly after we released 2.5.  We had nothing to do with the next version that came out.

Fair enough.  Mainly I remember is that the "last" version released as the company came apart was pretty bad, and one of the worst parts was the rubber-band flight controls.  Damage/hit mapping was also messed up.

[dhyran]

397 people are playing Il-2 through hyperlobby right now.  That doesn't even account for servers not listed on hyperlobby.

But this isn't about Il-2.  It's about whether there's a market for something like an RPS.  The evidence says there is.

Ultimately, you believe it sucks, and you move to the generalization that it sucks in itself.  FYI, you do not create transcendent values with your opinions.  Some of us like the RPS very much.

hehe,

before i left wb i tested IL2 with Hyper Lobby stuff vs AH2, i decided that AH2 was the better option for me, because i was kicked twice at the rps based server shooting down the adim (maybe he was p****d loosing against a german in a 190  )

So i lost intrest on IL2 very quickly, and it was good so far because the current graphic of AH2 is close to IL2, maybe equal. WB is far behind

[TracerX]

...the sloppy roll response of the WB planes is just a holdover from the anti-warp adjustments taken to combat stick stirrers.

Thanks for the explanation Eagl.  I don't know how anyone can stand that "Feature" for any length of time.  It is silly to think that they have not fixed that by now. 

[gyrene81]

Perhaps a new thread is warranted to discuss RPS as a game feature.

As long as there are multiple arenas in AH, I for one would like to see it as an option.

As a matter of fact, I'd like to see the whole ENY settings, plane set mix, RPS, etc. etc.  shake up every TOD so it's not the same game every TOD.  Variety is the spice of life.  Why change just the map?

For example, say one TOD is axis vs allied, with/without an RPS, and the next TOD is all planes set with ENY settings on.

Uh just to state the very obvious, there is an RPS setup in place right now:

Early War
Mid War
Late War

Yet Early War and Mid War stand nearly empty every day.

RPS is there but all the people talking about how "great it would be" aren't. And puhleaz do not talk about how this squeaker bunch ruined this or that noob ruined that...EW has less than 15 people on it daily, obviously they are the few dedicated to the early war plane set...MW averages 40 a day...and again, they are obviously dedicated to the plane sets.


If everyone truly wants RPS in AH it's in place go to it. I'll be there when I get off work.

[Stalwart]

Uh just to state the very obvious, there is an RPS setup in place right now:

Early War
Mid War
Late War

I appreciate that not everyone likes or wants an RPS.  Opinions vary.  But please understand what a Rolling Plane Set is.  It's not a set of static match ups.  Rather, the available plane set within a single arena changes almost daily as newer models are released into service and older models are phased out.  In some implementations the newest models are available only at the largest bases.  As they gradually phase in to service they become available in mid size and forward bases.  Over the course of a TOD you encounter a variety of match ups and mission challenges based on available planes.  You have to learn different flight models and different tactics as the rolling plane set progresses.  Love it or hate it, it's quite different from the Early War, Mid War and Late War arena setups.

[gyrene81]

I know how an actual rolling plane set works, basically something that could easily be set up in the AvA arena...isn't JG54 arranging stuff similar to that? Part of my point was that I see people wanting variety but no one actually taking actions to get that variety with what is currently available.

Seems to me it could be something put into action relatively easily with the proper terrains...BoB, ETO, Western Front, PTO, Africa. It would also take adding some planes to the current set (there are some missing, not the uber late war stuff). The ENY and perk points would have to be disabled too.

Maybe if someone asked nicely to have that arena setup for a trial period to see how the player base accepted it. We all know there will be times when there are an abundance of players and times when it will be like it is now...deserted. If it works out, maybe HTC would arrange to make it a permanent fixture. Or has that already been tried here?