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Offline 5PointOh

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I know I read somewhere about the abundance of P-51D/K skins, but I've done a couple "mock ups" of this 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N. Any input or tips would be great as this is my first attempt at skinning (thanks to Krusty's awesome walk-through).







Norman "Bud" J. Fortier
 
Gilford-----Norman “Bud” J. Fortier, 83, of 320 Old Lakeshore Road, died at his home on Sunday, November 20, 2005.


Mr. Fortier was born May 30, 1922 in Pelham, NH, the son of John J. and Marion D (Bedard) Fortier. Mr. Fortier attended elementary and high schools in Nashua and graduated from Nashua High School. He entered St. Anselm College, Goffstown, NH in 1939. In Jan, 1942, he left college to join the Army Air Corps.


He graduated from flight training and was commissioned 2nd Lt. in Jan., 1943. He was assigned to the 355th Fighter Group and went overseas (England) in July, 1943.

Mr. Fortier flew 113 combat sorties, 460 combat hours, in P-47 and P-51 aircraft. He was credited with the destruction of 5.83 German aircraft in the air, and 7 on the ground--strafing. He commanded the 354th Fighter Squadron with rank of Major in 1945. He left the service in Feb., 1946 and enrolled at the University of New Hampshire, Durham, NH. In 1947, he graduated with a B.Sc. degree.

Mr. Fortier flew with non-scheduled airlines-Meteor Air Transport, Teterboro, N.J. and Airline Transport Carriers, Burbank, CA and with Northwest Orient Airlines, Minneapolis, MN during the period of September, 1947 to December, 1948. Mr. Fortier was recalled to active duty in December, 1948 for the Berlin Airlift. He was assigned to the 317th Troop Carrier Group at Celle RAF Station Germany and flew 38 missions on the Berlin Airlift from February to July, 1949. His other military assignments included: Operations Officer at Squadron, Group, and Wing level in the 86th and 31st Fighter Wings; three years in the Directorate of Requirements at Hq USAF in Washington, DC; three years with the MAAG (Military Assistance Advisory Group, in the Hague, Netherlands and Commander of the 100th Organizational Maintenance Squadron at Pease Air Force Base. Mr. Fortier was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross four times, the Air Medal fifteen times, the Medal for Humane Action – for Berlin Airlift Duty, and the Croix de Guerre avec Etoile d’Argent-France. He retired from the United States Air Force at the end of 1964 with the rank of Lieutenant Colonel and the rating of Command Pilot. From September, 1965 to June, 1972, Mr. Fortier was Principal of Epsom Center School, Epsom, NH and taught at the Horne St. School in Dover, NH from September, 1972 to June, 1991.

Mr. Fortier was author of, AN ACE OF THE EIGHTH, AN AMERICAN FIGHTER PILOT’S AIR WAR IN EUROPE, which was published by Ballantine Books in May, 2003. Mr. Fortier was a member of the American Fighter Aces Association, the Military Officers Association of American (MOAA), the Air Force Association, the 355th Fighter Group Association and a former member of the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Mr. Fortier was a member of the Gilford Community Church.


 
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2009, 05:01:23 PM »
work in progress i hope?
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2009, 05:17:10 PM »
Nope, final product :noid  Yes thats a rough draft, just trying to get the silver right, and panel orinetations. No insignias, no rivets, no details.
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2009, 06:09:32 PM »
I'd suggest making the areas pure white (100%) and make the panel lines pure black 100% opacity, until you get them all lined up as you want. Keeps the other colors from being a distraction when you need to work in a pixel's width here, 2 pixels there.

Then when the panels are "lined up" turn them back down to 30% opacity while you do the coloring. I say this so you can help align certain patterns or color shapes based on the panel lines, if need be, and you want to see them better.

Then mix them however you want when the coloring is done, so that you get the end result with subtle panel lines, rivets, etc.

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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2009, 06:12:13 PM »
Well, you of course realize that Skuzzy has said there will be no more P-51D skins accepted.

With that out of the way.. do not fall into the trap that many do of skinning the wings with "aluminum".  

They were filled and painted grey.  Panel lines should be hardly visable except where they are accessible like gun bays.

Also use the "Z" key and "[ ]" keys to zoom in and out to get a closer look for your screen shots.

Good luck and let me know if I can help.
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2009, 07:24:24 PM »
Is there a particular font you guys use for lettering?  I know skuzzy wont accept anymore 51D skins :(.  But I think if I can get this figured out, then perhaps I'll move on to other planes.  BTW RIVETS SUCK!
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2009, 07:46:12 PM »
Is there a particular font you guys use for lettering?  I know skuzzy wont accept anymore 51D skins :(.  But I think if I can get this figured out, then perhaps I'll move on to other planes.  BTW RIVETS SUCK!


http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/dlcat-military-fonts-19/
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2009, 08:05:43 PM »
Ty Sir, thats an awesome website!
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2009, 05:45:37 AM »
Fencer or anyone, can you post closeup photos of the top of the P-51 wing, showing what the grey paint looks like vs natural aluminum?   I've been curious about this issue since I first heard about it, and my 51 resources are pretty limited...

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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2009, 10:11:18 AM »
Sure can, I have some great closeups from GML2007.  I will link them tonight.
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2009, 12:06:35 PM »
Sure can, I have some great closeups from GML2007.  I will link them tonight.

Thought it was aluminum/silver paint, not gray. 
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2009, 06:29:58 PM »
Thought it was aluminum/silver paint, not gray. 

Well.. we could get out a color wheel and argue about it, but I respect you too much.  So I will say that while I think its Grey we will call it silver.

Aluminum is a metal and when skinning it is very difficult to get correct.  The best way to show the difference between the aluminum fusalage and the wing is to use a light gray color.

Note the bare (although highly polished fusalage)


The flaps are also un painted.


Twilight Fear was prehaps the most authentic P-51D there.  Note the complete lack of polishing of the fusalage.


Lil Margaret is my favorite, this plane looks like it flew in from 1945.


Preddy's Last Cripes A'Mighty.  Note the grey appearance in some light.


Here is a P-47D40 with a bare aluminum wing.


This P-51D has a painted fusalage as well.
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2009, 08:04:20 PM »
What I post the pics and everyone bails from the thread?  :lol
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2009, 08:12:10 PM »
No one likes people with facts and pictures :P
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Re: 355th Fighter Group/354th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-72361 WR-N.
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 11:00:25 AM »
Oh no sir, I just did a silver 355th B model instead, since Skuzzy is currently anti D....hehe
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