Which American aircraft do you most want?

[Bodhi]

P-40

[hazed-]

dowding im sure they do but we have

tempest                            -ta152
p51d/P38                           -dora/109g10
b17/B26/lanc/TBM                   -ju88/arado
F4c/d/typhoon/p47/P38/d25/d30/d11  -190a8/f8
p51b/F6f                           -190a5
spitIX/V                           -109g2/f4/g6


ok? trying to be as fair as i can grouping planes in terms of similar types or era and as you can see allies have a much wider choice.LW have a great choice i know and russian/italian/japanese have missed out a bit but im sorry im more interested in european theatre stuff so i talk about LW more.ta152 is very rare but it did see action so if i could transport back to 1945 i would see one fighting.Thats basically what playing AH is all about for me.Simulate the planes that flew and fought.

So you want the very best p51? ok but please only if it saw action.same for every other country.

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[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 05-19-2001).]

[Karnak]

hazed-,
Ya can't compare Allies to the Luftwaffe and expect it to be even.  Do a nation by nation comparison or Axis vs Allies comparison.  Yes, you will find that the Americans have a lot of units and you will find that the Allies have more than the Axis, but I think you are distorting it way more by comparing Allies to Luftwaffe.  Here is a comparison using Axis vs Soviets:

Ta152 -nothing
Fw190D-9/Bf109G-10/N1K2-J -Yak-9U/La-7
Ju88A-4/Ar234A -nothing
Fw190F-8 -Il-2M
Bf109G-6/Fw190A-8/Fw190A-5/C.205 -La-5FN
Bf109G-2/Bf109F-4/A6M5b/Ki61-Ib/C.202 -Yak-9T
Panzer IV H/Ostwind -nothing

Makes it look pretty bad for the Soviets, doesn't it?

Remember, it is not Allies vs. Luftwaffe.  It is not really American vs Britain vs Germany vs Italy vs Japan vs Russia either, but I recognize that each countries air force has its fans, but I am no more a fan of all Allied aircraft than you are of all Axis aircraft.  Most Russian and American aircraft do nothing for me, yet I do not compare the RAF's selection against the whole Axis selection.

Do you see what I am getting at?

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[Angus]

B29....for perks

[SwampRat]

B29A (Perked).  I saw Hitech make the comment "it would make a great perk plane", I think were gonna see it eventually.

F7F<<< "Nice kitty nice...kitty"??  

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[-tronski-]

 I fail to see a real reason why you'd perk the B-29 anymore than say the Lanc or B-17. In the MA , the 29 would rarely operate at its maximim alt, and even then in small numbers.
 Plus the Ta152 I would think, could negate even that attribute.

 Tronsky

[Lephturn]

Planes are not perked only for their performance, but also to help reflect their relative rarity.  THe B-29 would be perked to keep it from being too common in relation to other buffs, if for no other reason.

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[Major Tom]

A-26B (the one with 22 forward firing MG's)

..failing that, put me down for an A-20G-1-DO with all the extras including a .50 tunnel gun!

[hazed-]

er karnak no i dont see what you getting at really.I did say i think we ought to fill out the jap/russian/italian sets a bit more before the LW or Alies purely for fairness but if fairness was put aside id say the greatest interest would be in USAAF,LW and RAF planes so they are bound to get more planes first.

When i was comparing planes i was just going by types and choices.What i would not like to see is the allies get a bearcat from 1947  that could cause even the me262 trouble before the axis have a chance to savour the me262s superior performance.
We (LW flyers) had to fly the 109g10 or 190a8 against the p51d for almost a year so in effect it was as if the p51d was the top plane for a year.Id like to see the me262 arrive and at least have a short period of dominance before we get the allied answer to it which never saw action.Do you see ? hehe  
this is why i asked to not see the ultra p51s or p80s or bearcats.

jeez i flew a year in 190s(not doras,they wasnt there) against a better performing p51d.Id like a short period where i feel i have the best plane.
sure theres the ta152 now but the tempest kicks its bellybutton in MA.Arado is a rare and barely used bomber and i love it but it has very little use,costs a fortune and has a pathetic bombload for the lone type bombing we often see and no guns.Not a real MA winner is it?
someone give me an example of a time in AH where the LW had the best performing aircraft? In books ive read the top planes ebbed back and forth as each side upped the stakes.Not so in AH.
the case would be even more apparent in the russian/LW example you gave.the russians lost hordes of planes before they started to produce better planes.it wasnt until the winter of 43 i think that the russians actually beat the germans on that front.come the following summer the germans turned on them again and began pushing the russians again until they hit stalingrad and again defeated in 44 i think.As a LW flyer you long to try those planes that were talked of in the books as being far ahead of their time like the me262 but if we get a p80 at the same time where is the shock value the me262 truely produced in allied pilots?
furballers would love it i guess.but for me it would ruin the WW2 feel and illusion of being there.

[ 06-07-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

[Steven]

1947 Bearcat?  Wasn't there a squadron or two on carrirs on their way to the fighting when the war ended?

I'd actually like to see the early stuff appearing in the simulation but still doubt many would fly a Wildcat with so many N1K's running around.

[SpitLead]

Late model P-40 (N?) This airplane DESERVES to be next.  P-40 variants were a front line fighter with the AVG in 1939 until late in the war and fought in the Pacific and African campaigns in large numbers.  Let's bring the Warhawk to AH.

A B-29 would be nice but if it's perked I don't know that many people would fly it.  How many Arado's have you seen flying around lately.  I've seen maybe 2 for a whole tour! You're still a sitting duck for the most part in a bomber if anyone with any sense attacks you and who would want to loose perk points at that rate?  Besides, those big perk point airplanes become the focus of every pilot around.  You basically have a huge bullseye painted on you.  I don't fly Tempests anymore for that very reason.  At least in a CHog the perk point loss is only 8 and it can be confused with the 'D' model so people don't make suicide runs to try and kill you.  It would be interesting to see how HTC does the remote controlled guns.  

[hazed-]

spitlead i think HTC had problems modeling the periscope guns that the arado could have and so they were left off.It may be a similar problem with the b29.The b29 would be a great addition but it would completely take over as the bomber of choice i think if it wasnt perked in some way.It has a phenominal ceiling and once up there there would be little to stop it.perhaps it might be best to get less accurate bombs before you introduce the ultimate strato-buff  

[SpitLead]

Not to try and sway anybody on this list but here are my personal thoughts on planes listed to choose from:

We don't need any more variants of existing airplanes.  Period.  Jeez we've got 3 P-47 models and 2 P-51 models.  We don't need more P-38s, Corsair's and B-17s etc.

Other aircraft like the Tigercat, Bearcat and Shooting Star didn't even SEE action in WWII so they aren't legitimate aircraft (IMHO).

The P-61 was flown in such limited numbers I'm not even sure it should qualify.  I believe the same is true for the A-26 which I don't think saw combat until the Korean war.

The Devastator was an absolute DOG of an airplane so why fly it when there are much more capable airplanes around.

That leaves left what I'll call the legitimate list of airplanes to choose from (I'm doing this from memory):

B-29
F4F Wildcat
P-39 (any variant)
P-40 (any variant)
B-25 (any variant)
B-24 (any variant)
SBD Dauntless

(I think Karnak should've added the A-20 Havoc, the one with the 8-50 cal in the nose)

These are all legitimate WWII combat planes built in significant numbers. Let's have HTC work on filling out the legitimate airplanes rather than these more fanciful low production, non-WWII stuff.  

Once that's done they can work on the more far flung airplanes to add some interesting variety but anything that didn't see actual combat in WWII should NOT be included (IMHO). I totally agree with Hazed on this subject.

[Nifty]

Good post SpitLead.  I agree.  We've got enough p-47, p-51 and corsair variants for NOW.  Flesh out the plane set more, and then we can see more variants of models already in the game.  

From Spit's list, I'd like to see the Dauntless in the game, followed by the Wildcat.  Ok, so I'm partial to the carrier based planes.

Actually, I'd rather see some more IJN planes (Kates and Vals maybe?  Betty even?) before I see more American.  Work on evening out the country planesets I guess. For example... IJN only has fighters (tho the Ki-61 can jabo.)  They could use a torp plane, dive bomber and level bomber.  Germans need a level bomber (they did have some, right???)  Just my opinion tho...