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Offline guncrasher

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Re: McAfee
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2009, 07:32:34 AM »
Tried it. Won't work

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Re: McAfee
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2009, 09:25:05 AM »
Tried it. Won't work

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You went through a full reload process (boot to windows cd, delete partition, create partition, full format, install) and that didn't put you back to a clean Windows?
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2009, 10:06:11 AM »
Sorry what I meant is I can't get either cd rom to actually boot. So no cd works. Getting another cd drive today just in case for some weird reason both got damaged.
I will also check connections just in case cable themselves are damagged. But most likely drivers are gone.
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2009, 06:12:16 PM »
Ok bad cd cable was the problem.  But I got a stupid question for u guys. Will reformat/reinstall. Windows get rid of my 5k viruses or getting a new hard drive will be better
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Re: McAfee
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2009, 06:50:30 PM »
I havnt reinstalled windows for awhile, but you can quick format or full format, do not quick format.
 I think if you had that many problems, If you have access to over write the drive I would be tempted to that first. I would want to overwrite the masterboot record is what I would want and, while in prosess the whole drive.
http://eraser.heidi.ie/ this is a free program to overwrite drive.
 Easier is to just do a full reformat, reinstall,virus check your install.( If you have anything backed up on cd,dvd, thumb drive, etc etc, I would virus check any of the material before migrating it back to your system)
 If everything is good,install your antivirus of choice and firewall once your OS checks out OK.
 When I redo my system I install OS, updates,My needed programs ( antivirus and firewall is in the top 3 to get installed), defrag, then I mirror image,as I keep reinstalling I perodicaly make a image file, I use ghost but it is not free, there is freeware out there.
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Re: McAfee
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2009, 07:25:43 PM »
Ok bad cd cable was the problem.  But I got a stupid question for u guys. Will reformat/reinstall. Windows get rid of my 5k viruses or getting a new hard drive will be better
Yeah.

Do the full step from delete partition to full format and install. What Windows XP and Vista have built in to perform those functions is just fine...3rd party apps just add headaches.
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2009, 03:00:06 AM »
If I had to do all this I would seriously consider getting a new faster harddrive _now_.

Reasoning behind it? You get more performance, more hd space and same amount of trouble as if you'd do it again later on. Another benefit is that you can then use the old hd for swap file giving you an added boost again.

If your existing hdd is 3-4 years old I would definately get a new 1Tb or 1.5Tb 7200rpm drive on the side. You'll notice a marked improvement in i/o performance. Just remember to partition the Tb drive to at least 2 partitions, 200 or so Gb for OS and programs and other partition for AH etc. games that will not require installation to program files. This makes a reformat of c: a breeze later on - especially if you back up the cleanly installed image of c: on the leftover hd or partition.
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2009, 09:47:50 AM »
Ripley, I hate to say it but the bigger drives are not "more efficient" at data handling than smaller drives. I know someone is going to disagree with me, and I'm probably not going to mention something important but as simplified as I can get, higher capacity means higher data compression rates, higher seek times and higher write times. Though it may be more efficient technology than say 5 years ago (larger cache, faster components, better compression algorythms) it still has to follow the same principles and the higher capacity you go, the more cycles the drive has to perform for any given task. A 7200RPM Terabyte drive can have the exact same latency or slower, write and seek times as a 7200RPM 500GB hard drive, even if the smaller drive has a smaller cache.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148309

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148278

Both Seagate drives. Notice the lack of information about seek and write times on the 1TB drive.

Now take a look at specs on a lower capacity 10,000 RPM drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148278

That would be a big data transfer performance difference from his current drive(S) if he had the SATA3.0GB interfaces...as it stands his cpu is a Pentium D 2.8GHz which puts the age of that system at around 4 years +/- 1 which puts the SATA connections at SATA II, not the current SATA3.0Gb. He can put a SATA3.0Gb drive in it but the data throughput is going to be at the lower standard, which means no significant performance improvement based on the hard drive other than transferring data across the drive from folder to folder.


Buying a huge hard drive then partitioning it is much less effective and much riskier to data loss than multiple physical drives. Take your setup for example. A 1TB drive with 2 or 3 partitions. What's going to happen to your data if sector zero gets damaged? You lose access to the entire drive and everything on it. You won't get it back unless you want to spend some cash shipping it to a data recovery specialist. Using a mulitple drive (maybe multi partition on the secondary drive) scheme is much more effective and less likely to experience catastrophic data loss than over working a single drive with multiple partitions. It's common knowledge that the primary drive (C:\) gets the most use and is more prone to failure than a secondary drive doing nothing more than housing data. Adding partitions to the same physical drive just adds to the workload. Having multiple drives in a system die is not impossible but it doesn't occur as often as primary drive failure. Reloading the OS on a drive with multiple partitions becomes a pain in the butt too, especially with Windows. Sitting up at 2 a.m. and having a few drinks under your belt, it's very likely a mistake will be made.


Just my personal preference, but I run a smaller drive as my primary and a large capacity drive for my secondary. Windows as well as all programs goes on the smaller drive then my paging file as well as data that I want to keep goes on the larger secondary drive. I have yet to lose any data.
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Re: McAfee
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2009, 12:45:33 PM »
thanks for the help,getting rid of McAfee :salute

btw,nice thread hi-jack :aok

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2009, 07:09:06 PM »
sorry about that hi jack.  my bad, I just assumed (you know what that means) that would all be related to how to remove mccaffey, which i had been wanting to remove it for a while but everytime i did it just messed up my system. 

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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2009, 01:46:32 PM »
Ripley, I hate to say it but the bigger drives are not "more efficient" at data handling than smaller drives.

Hardware review benchmarks strongly disagree with you on that. Granted raptors or velociraptors are faster but they're horrible price/volume -wise. Not to mention the high failure rates people have been experiencing with them.

Example: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hard-drive-upgrade,2377.html

And what goes for partitioning, obviously its not for backup purposes but to make reinstallation of OS easyer. Backups should be done preferably to something else than an another harddrive.
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2009, 05:53:54 PM »
Hardware review benchmarks strongly disagree with you on that. Granted raptors or velociraptors are faster but they're horrible price/volume -wise. Not to mention the high failure rates people have been experiencing with them.
I don't put much stock in bench marks...they are generally idealistic...works the same way as MTBF...ideally the drive should operate continuously for "x" number of hours.

I agree the raptor series hard drives look great on paper...but the failure rates remind me of the old ESDI drives from Micropolis.

And what goes for partitioning, obviously its not for backup purposes but to make reinstallation of OS easyer. Backups should be done preferably to something else than an another harddrive.
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2009, 11:54:23 PM »
I don't put much stock in bench marks...they are generally idealistic...works the same way as MTBF...ideally the drive should operate continuously for "x" number of hours.

I agree the raptor series hard drives look great on paper...but the failure rates remind me of the old ESDI drives from Micropolis.
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Benchmarks include simple i/o bandwith measurements and file copy which are consistently higher/faster on larger drives. That can't be argued can it?
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2009, 08:45:22 AM »
Benchmarks include simple i/o bandwith measurements and file copy which are consistently higher/faster on larger drives. That can't be argued can it?
Yes...and I give you the WD Velociraptor series hard drives as the example, smaller capacities yet faster data transfer rates. Or if you prefer look at - SCSI1 vs Ultra SCSI 640 vs SATA vs SATA3.0GB.
Then you have 5400rpm vs 7200rpm vs 10,000rpm vs 15,000rpm.
It's not the size that determines i/o bandwidth and data transfer speeds, it's the combined technologies. Also across the board, "average" seek, write and latency times are going to be within milliseconds of each other regardless of drive size, connection type or drive speed. It just so happens that capacity limits have increased along with advances in the other areas.




Please do not tell me you believe a 1TB 7200rpm SATA3.0GB drive is going to outperform a 140GB 15,000rpm Ultra SCSI 320 hard drive.

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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2009, 09:31:35 AM »
Yes...and I give you the WD Velociraptor series hard drives as the example, smaller capacities yet faster data transfer rates. Or if you prefer look at - SCSI1 vs Ultra SCSI 640 vs SATA vs SATA3.0GB.
Then you have 5400rpm vs 7200rpm vs 10,000rpm vs 15,000rpm.
It's not the size that determines i/o bandwidth and data transfer speeds, it's the combined technologies. Also across the board, "average" seek, write and latency times are going to be within milliseconds of each other regardless of drive size, connection type or drive speed. It just so happens that capacity limits have increased along with advances in the other areas.




Please do not tell me you believe a 1TB 7200rpm SATA3.0GB drive is going to outperform a 140GB 15,000rpm Ultra SCSI 320 hard drive.



Please do not tell me you think anyone is going to get 15k scsi drives for gaming use. Compare a small older consumer harddrive with a new Tb drive and yes the Tb drive is loads faster while providing many times the Mb per dollar.

Raptors are not an option due to high cost and low reliability.
Scsi is not an option due to high cost of both drives and scsi controller + noise.

So where were we again? A new Tb drive will wipe the floor with a lower capacity consumer drive.
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