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Offline Strip

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Education....Diversity or Specialty?
« on: August 28, 2009, 10:36:22 AM »
       I coming to a crossroads with my college education, my next semester will essentially decided which direction I head with my education. Option one is to go for a bachelors/masters in mechanical engineering with a five year graduation plan. Option two is to go for a bachelors in mechanical engineering and chemical engineering. I had even thought about a business degree in management or similar field. With the economy looking like it wont be back 100% by graduation I want to be in a good position to get a good job. The benefit of specializing is the limited availability of masters graduates in mechanical engineering. The downside is your going to be very knowledgeable in one field with marginal adaptability. The other option leaves an employer to move you around and task you with projects consisting of other areas besides mechanical engineering. The downside to that is your more of a jack of all trades master of none type of employee. A mechanical engineering degree with a admin background would be great for R&D or positions where the engineer may be in charge of production.

Time invested from today foward....

Masters in M.E.....3 years though BA/MA plan

Bachelors in C.E and M.E.....3.5 years sharing prerequisites

Bachelors in M.E. and Admin......4.5 to 5.5 years with minimal sharing

Any one have thoughts or experience they would like to share on this?

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Re: Education....Diversity or Specialty?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 10:50:25 AM »
Masters in ME/CE unless you want to do what my son did...MS-ME with a focus on Nuke Power
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Re: Education....Diversity or Specialty?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 11:02:36 AM »
I want to go for either a single masters or double bachelors, a double masters would be a bit too long for me I think.

Nuclear power should start to really increase in the next decade so its a possibility.

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Re: Education....Diversity or Specialty?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2009, 11:27:17 AM »
Option 1) Means you won't need to return to school to stay competitive further into your career; even if you move into solely managerial slots.  If your company feels you need more focus in business, they will most likely pay for you to get an MBA/EMBA.  The disadvantage is that you will have a terminal degree will no/little working experience and thus only marginally more attractive than a someone with just a BSME degree.  Obviously this is the least time investment option; more subtly is the what I already pointed out in that further schooling is, if needed at all, is a long way down the road.  I assume for this and the other two, you are in or are entering an engineering co-op program.

Option 2) Gives you two distinct areas of knowledge, always an asset in this economy.  The downside here is that you are dividing your time between two different areas of focus and resultant have less practical experience in one or the other, perhaps even both result with less than in option one.  Plus, you will need to return to school for a masters' degree in one or the other and perhaps the MBA/EMBA too.

Option 3) I am not sure if you mean a BS in Engineering Management or a BS/BA in Business Administration; either way, both are extremely marginal in helping you get a job or moving-up in a company through the engineering side.  Sure, either will expose you to budgeting, accounting, finance, metrics, etc.  But these are skills that a good firm will see that you learn, either through mentoring or OJT.  This option also means you will be going back to school in the future and adds the least to your resume.  Not to mention it also has the greatest time investment for the least career return.

Speaking an EE/MBA holder, I can say that I would chose option one.  Because the 36 months I spent on that MBA came at a time in my life when it was VERY hard to do it.  If I had married earlier, and especially if kids came along, I think I'd still be working on it.

Now I must say that I like that if you take 5 years and get the masters' in ME, I am impressed as a potential employer since the majority of engineering students are taking 5 years to just get a BS'x'E degree.  I got mine in three and that was with a co-op job! Of course my 1st two semesters were 24 hours each & I took nine in the 1st summer & 11 in the second and fortunately we had a DuPont plant here that let us co-op on all three shifts too.  Even back then, which is only 25 years ago, most engineering students were taking the 5 year route for just BS'x'E degree; I always felt they were under motivated.  I like that you are shooting for more than just another worker bee education.


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Re: Education....Diversity or Specialty?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2009, 05:44:32 PM »
I want to go for either a single masters or double bachelors, a double masters would be a bit too long for me I think.

Nuclear power should start to really increase in the next decade so its a possibility.

I'm in the nuclear industry, even if no new plants are built in the next decade, our work force is quickly aging.  Last time I heard, the average age was right around 60 years old.  There aren't many, if any industries in such need of fresh sacrificial lambs I mean young workers.  It really is a good line to get into this day and age.  Even if every plant in the nation (about 100 civilian) had their licenses revoked today, there would still be a high demand for nuke workers.  Plus, chicks dig us.  :noid

If you have any questions about anything nuke, go ahead and shoot some my way.
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Re: Education....Diversity or Specialty?
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2009, 06:04:17 PM »
The only bad thing about nuclear engineering is the lack of schools and acceptance slots. Since I was young have always been interested in different nuclear fields. As a matter of fact I have been playing this game that shows you how BWR operates. Its pretty interesting to learn about how the control rods interacts with the reactor period. My main issue with going into that field is what kind of work I would be doing. I like keeping my hands busy and my mind wrapped around a complex problem.

What would a fresh nuclear engineering graduate do as a entry level job? Babysit a reactor? Research? Soak up stray neutrons for a few years?

(I still maintain a high school kid with a machining class can make a gun-type nuclear weapon, provided the materials anyway.)


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Re: Education....Diversity or Specialty?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2009, 06:40:35 PM »
A real hands on approach is easy, every plant refuels a section of its fuel about every 18-24 months, they hire on temporary employees to help out on the maintenance work.  That helps keep the dose levels down on the regular crews.  I've worked three refueling outages as a temporary employee in my life, and each one was completely different.  When I was 18 they payed me around 16.50 an hour for 6 months at 72-84 hours a week.  Full time and Union guys make a lot more than that.  Not to mention the insane amount of overtime you will have.  Lots of cash in a business that boils water with a fuel that last for about 6 years.

If starting from rock bottom isn't an approach you want to take, our plant offers a co-op nuclear engineering degree at a local community college.  Last I heard it could be completed in under two years, with summer on the job training at the plant.  I know there other programs at other plants across the country, I would suggest you find a plant near you, or in an area you prefer, and contact them about any co-op programs they have.  Our plant in particular offers to pay all tuition costs, and seeing as how you get paid to train during summers, you actually will make money through out your schooling.  

As far as what type of work you would be doing, that truly is a decision you'd have to make.  Between the running of the plant, and the refueling of the plant, you'd be hard pressed to find a job or trade that is not performed.  

A few of our departments include:  Maintenance, they do just that, maintenance.  Which at a nuclear plant, usually consists of months of peaceful work, mixed with days of extreme excitement.  If you're mechanically based, or just love getting dirty with pumps and pipes and dirt and things like that, it would be the Dept for you.  

Then we have Operators, there are a few classes of operators.  These are the guys who physically operate the plant.  The majority of operators are constantly walking all throughout the various buildings, checking all different kinds of gauges and things that need checked.  You get to see parts of the plant very few others do.  Operators at this level need a lot of math and physics education.  This is probably the best field to get into fresh out of college.  Plenty of room for promotion.  All the way up to control room operator.  These guys work for some months, then train on a mock up reactor control room for some months.  Constant training and requalification.  If you wanted to challenge yourself, that'd be the job to do it!  I've only met a few of those fellas in my days, they don't see sunlight much.  :D  But operations is probably the best job in the plant as far as pay and adventure go.
Then you have your Radiation Protection departments.  Every plant loves to have its own names for all these jobs, Radiation Protection was formerly known as Health Services, then changed to Health Physics.  These gentlemen and women are the ones who survey and monitor all things radiation.  Whether it be monitoring levels of radiation in preparation for a job, or helping maintain a contamination free zone, down to monitoring dose and contamination on workers.  If radiation is something that truly captivates you, this is a neat job.  Radiation Protection pretty much sums up the title, protect from radiation.
Ok, this is going on a little long, you get the idea.  Chemistry is another department, there's a few others, but those are the major ones up there.  Of course, Security is a major one, but trust me, stay out of that line of work and keep an eye on those guys :lol

As far as schooling goes, I could get you some recommended courses I'm sure most schools would have.  Other than that, focuses on electrical, physics, and math at higher levels would almost certainly guarantee you a great job at almost any reactor in the country.  
A fresh nuclear engineering graduate would certainly not be babysitting or researching, however soaking up some dose is a possibility...
They would put you to work immediately, a nuclear power plant is a very large and very complicated structure, and the only way to learn it is to work it.  It still boggles my mind that all we're doing is boiling water to make steam, yet somehow we have made that very very complicated  :lol

Just a final note, I have known workers who literally built the plants, got hired on, and have worked there for over 20 years, and no side effect of radiation yet.  The latest medical research I read suggested that the amount of radiation we receive could actually help PREVENT cancers.  The amount of radiation we are allowed to receive at the plant in one full year, is not even remotely close to the amount that would do anything to you, if received all at once.
We are much much more than Homer Simpson, working at a plant is a good mix of firefighter, military, scientist, and adventurer.

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here's a quick summary of Operators http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos227.htm#nature
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