What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?

[CAP1]

I hope you will agree with me that some high end cars you wont know what to do with without factory training. And vise versa, for example, i cant possibly compete with your general car knowledge, welding skills .....list goes on. It comes with  experience.

I ABSOLUTLEY DO AGREE WITH THAT.

pardon caps.........

in all honesty, although i've worked on Porsche, i've never touched the top end ones we're talking about. i would suffer immensely, i think trying to work on vipers, or top end beemrs or mercedes.

 it's actually getting MUCH more difficult to get good information even on basic cars. the manufacturers call it "proprietary" information, and the govt. usually has to force them to release it to us.

 on the other hand too, i'm alwas open to learning more. i kinda like to learn something every day if i can.


crappy filming, but this is my buddy's viper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhOcRp1L688

i'm surprised he launched it so crappy, as he has a 10 second 68 goat.

[jdbecks]

Yeh, you tell yourself "this really is big" long enough, you'll even start to believe it!   

Now a 2.0L 4-banger in a Lotus 7 clone? I'd hit that... 

<---- closet Lotus fan

Me too, I love lotus, when my current toy breaks or I decide to sell her..this is my following wishlist

Lotus Esprit, the last shape , I think its 1998 plus
Lotus Exige S, with the toyota celica engine thats been supercharged
TVR Tuscan speed 6
AC Cobra replica, If I go this route, I might look at putting the 4.0 V8 from a BMW 5 series in it, although its something Ive not looked into, and not compared it to the other v8s I can get.

I change my mind each week 

[KgB]

I ABSOLUTLEY DO AGREE WITH THAT.

pardon caps.........

in all honesty, although i've worked on Porsche, i've never touched the top end ones we're talking about. i would suffer immensely, i think trying to work on vipers, or top end beemrs or mercedes.

 it's actually getting MUCH more difficult to get good information even on basic cars. the manufacturers call it "proprietary" information, and the govt. usually has to force them to release it to us.

Yep.I remember when we first got BMW gt1 scanner it was priced out for $200 000! Go ahead and try to buy one if your own small shop.Oh they made it available all right,lol

[SIK1]

Spend a little time around the hotrod scene. Tons of old cars with Blue ovals on the grill and SBC's under the hood.

Personally, if I were to do a Cobra replica, it would be Ford powered. But it's not unusual to see otherwise. If you're not going for the old tech (carb and that '60's look) and making it "retro-rod" then a modern LS-series Chevy beats anything Ford every day of the week. The Ford Modular V8 heads up against an LS Chevy? LS every day of the week.

My Cobra would have a 427 CobraJet.

Bah. I'd build a Grand Sport replica and eat Cobras for din-din.

<--- goes to buy Powerball tickets......

I've been in the hotrod scene for more than thirty years. I built my first v8 when I was 16 an Olds 215 (talk about a learning experience) and did my first engine swap at 17 a 390 in place of a 292 in a 1960 F100. My latest was a 6bta Cummins in my '91 F350. So yeah I've been around the hotrod scene for a little while.

You just don't get it. A Cobra doesn't have a blue oval on the grill. It has Shelby there. The original was powered by a 260 (same family as the 302/5.0 I might add) because Carroll Shelby made a deal with ford for the engines. Putting a bow tie under the hood just ruins the whole illusion that a replicar like the Cobra is trying to project.

So you know, one of the main reasons that many hotrods have 350's in them is up until the 5.0L Mustangs it was much cheaper to build a hotrod chebby than it was to build a hotrod Ford. There just wasn't that many affordable speed parts available for the Fords. As that has changed so too has the sight of Ford engines in old hotrods.
 
Just an fyi the 427 cobrajet would not be the correct engine for the Cobra either they used the 427 side oiler. Roush makes a real nice Aluminum version that will help take some of that weight off the front end.

[Reaper90]

You just don't get it. A Cobra doesn't have a blue oval on the grill. It has Shelby there. The original was powered by a 260 (same family as the 302/5.0 I might add) because Carroll Shelby made a deal with ford for the engines. Putting a bow tie under the hood just ruins the whole illusion that a replicar like the Cobra is trying to project.

No, I do get it, 100%. Your point of fact about Shelby is irrelevant to my point that it is not uncommon in hotrods to see Ford engines replaced with Chevies, regarless of whether the car the Ford engine was taken out of was made by Ford, or in this case AC, or Shelby.

I agree, with a replica you're trying to create an illusion of the car being the real thing. But the reality is it is not, and in many cases the owner wants to make a statement that in fact NO this is not a car he is trying to pass off as the real thing but instead a new creation in the spirit of the original but improved /altered to fit the tastes of the builder/owner. Its their car and I respect that. I wouldn't turn my nose up at an LS powered Cobra any more than I'd turn my nose up at a Chevy powered Porsche 928 or 5.0L Ford powered Volvo or Mazda rotory powered Triumph. Each creation is an expression of its builder.

So you know, one of the main reasons that many hotrods have 350's in them is up until the 5.0L Mustangs it was much cheaper to build a hotrod chebby than it was to build a hotrod Ford. There just wasn't that many affordable speed parts available for the Fords.

and BINGO, you just restated my point exactly.
 

Just an fyi the 427 cobrajet would not be the correct engine for the Cobra either they used the 427 side oiler.

please pardon the Chevy guy. 

(actually, once you corrected me I remember now that it was the side-oiler. A little rusty on my Ford motors..... spend most of my time reading up on new hardware)

[Reaper90]

where's this info from because I read an artical in I think road and track while in the doctors where they were comparing the GT a Ferrari, Lambo and the ZR1 and although the ZR1 was competive performance wise (not the front runner) it got last place in everything else.

I don't know about R&T's test, but I for sure don't trust their editors and staff to get 10/10th out of any car on a test track.

Being a recovering roadcourse racecar driver (one NASA National Championship and one SCCA Regional championship) I put a lot more stock in actual roadcourse lap times run under controlled conditions, monitored and sanctioned by a sanctioning body, as a true test and demonstration of a sportscar's performance potential. Great 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times don't make a great sports car. Great lateral grip by itself doesn't make a great sports car. Excellent braking by itself... blah blah blah.

Put all of those together and put it on a racetrack.... the natural home of a sports car. That is the test of whether the particular car in question is the "total package."

And this is the point in the post where I point you to the official lap times from the Nurbergring, where the Corvette owned its competition from Stuttgart.

Car magazine reviews where they (as I mentioned previously) conduct a performance test and then pick a winner based on one car having nicer seats and a neater stereo instead of which one performs better? No thanks. I want a sports car for performance. If I wanted luxury I'd buy a Caddy or BMW.


2010 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe Coupes (7.0L V8 505HP) $74,285
2010 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Coupe Coupes (6.2L V8 638HP) $106,880
2010 Chevrolet Corvette Base Coupe Coupes (6.2L V8 430HP) $48,930
2010 Chevrolet Corvette Base Convertible Convertibles (6.2L V8 430HP) $53,580
2009 Chevrolet Corvette Base Convertible Convertibles (6.2L V8 430HP) $53,220
2009 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe Coupes (7.0L V8 505HP) $73,925
2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Coupe Coupes (6.2L V8 638HP) $103,970

2010 prices
Porsche's mid-engine roadster $46,600 - $56,700  
Cayman  Porsche's mid-engine coupe $50,300 - $60,200
911  Porsche's sports car icon $76,300 - $140,700    
Cayenne  Porsche's sporty SUV $45,000 - $124,800  


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[RTHolmes]

official lap times from the Nurbergring, where the Corvette owned its competition from Stuttgart.

thing is they're not really competition as they are built for different markets. someone who comes from driving BMWs will baulk at the vettes build quality, someone coming from a V8 saloon wont be impressed with the 911s hp output. comes down to which one you like for the kind of driving you do. personally if I wanted a big V8 for that money and wasnt too bothered by plastic panels I'd get an Ultima GTR, which would beast the vette in all areas (apart from stuff like interior trim and luggage space )

[moot]

Wiesmann makes some nice cars too, near that price range.  Tasteful esthetics and a choice of meaty engines.

[jdbecks]

Im not sure about prices in the states...My fav car in the world that I would love to own tomorrow is a Ferrari 355 GTS in black, yumm..what a driving experience they are 

just a shame I cant afford to run one

[Die Hard]

2000 beemr

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2001 camry
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2003 toyota
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2004 beemr

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2001 BMW 7 series E65 (launched first in Europe then in the States in 2002).



I guess we can blame Chris Bangle for the Toyota too.

[Die Hard]

Btw. that's the car that made be switch to Audi. Can't stand the look of that 7 series. The new models are starting to look good again.

[Reaper90]

thing is they're not really competition as they are built for different markets. someone who comes from driving BMWs will baulk at the vettes build quality, someone coming from a V8 saloon wont be impressed with the 911s hp output. comes down to which one you like for the kind of driving you do.

Good point, although I would argue that their target markets do overlap to a certain extent... thus the point of this thread - a potential buyer trying to choose between one of these two....

personally if I wanted a big V8 for that money and wasnt too bothered by plastic panels I'd get an Ultima GTR, which would beast the vette in all areas (apart from stuff like interior trim and luggage space )

Ultima GTR? We certainly do need a :drool: emoticon!

I love love love love love the Ultima GTR and Can Am. Trust me, when I win the lottery there will be one of each in my hanger, right beside the GTM and the P-40. 

Interior trim and luggage space? Bah. I'll get a sedan if I want that.

[Die Hard]

Oh almost forgot...

1996 BMW Z3

[BigPlay]

Good point, although I would argue that their target markets do overlap to a certain extent... thus the point of this thread - a potential buyer trying to choose between one of these two....

Ummm I really don't see that much overlap, maybe between Porsche and Ferrari or Ferrari and Lambos. You either like or want European engineering and quality or you don't . I know a handful of guys with Ferrari's and a bunch with Porsche's and not many are interested in American V-8 powered cars say with exception of the GT40.

[DJ111]

Mmm...