It's the word I used.
Which is what I wrote. Yet, you use it as a reason not to consider facts that do not agree with your assessment(s). Leaving out the portion of my statement which addresses this and then pretending its not there in an effort to artificially suit your point of view is silly.
Five... I think. Not sure if one of them was in my wife's name. Never had a TD though. Drive Audi now due to "creative differences" with BMW.
Then you know full well that BMW has no such service interval for turbochargers. Actually, Im not aware of any auto maker who has such a maint policy on "refurbishing" snails. They go within warranty and are replaced or they dont and arent. Its cheaper to replace than to rebuild.
Turbochargers are the bane of many an auto maker, frankly. With the exception, in my opinion, of Porsche, Saab and Audi/VW, turbos are a massive cost drain because, as is the case with Mitsubishi for example, the target market (read: over-extended 20-somethings who have seen 2Fast2Furious2ManyTimes) hasnt the slightest clue about how to take care of them.
This is the main reason Mistubishi axed forced induction of the Eclipse line. While the old Talon/Eclipse block is phenomenal for holding boost in stock form, and while the drivers are very knowledgable about how to turn the dial, something as simple as letting the car idle for 30 seconds before shutdown to cycle cool oil through the turbocharger is completely lost on them. This problem is just now rearing its head with the Evo's, as expected.
Always cracks me up the way people discount what actually happened or is happening and just blather on spouting opinion
..or even worse, posting tables of numbers garnered from apples to compare to oranges. (lies, damn lies, and statistics applies)
Kinda expect quotes from Car and Driver/Motor Trend to follow .. oops .. they did .. ROFL!
I especially enjoy reading articles that state "well the vette annihilated everyone but it's fifth on *our* list because <insert any BS you want in here>" ...credibility .. need some.
Lotta nice cars out there .. lotta hype surround a lot of them, gotta wear hipwaders to find the truth.
It's interesting to note the extremes some will go to just to get close to what a modern day vette can do.
Sure brings a rabid dog reaction from some of the yer-a-peein badge boys
.. god help you if you quote a 'ring number or mention GT1
(next year it'll be GT2 verboten for light discussion in Yoo-roop)
-shrug-
I'll drive the Vette GS in a couple years . . the Z06 if things go well soon after.
In circles around any comparable car available if I want to .. because I will be able to.
I'll be out at the track when I can .. surrounded by the 'V-tech Yo' boys 300 strong
-yawn-
-Frank aka GE
I wouldnt be so quick to defend the Corvette - its a waste of time. I think youll find that most people who know anything about racing, at all, wont be bashing the car so, in effect, youre just defending against the ignorant.
The newer Vettes (C5+) are outstanding track toys. It sounds like youre talking about 1320 racing above but, on road courses, I think they are an even better bang for the buck, performance-wise.
Ive never owned one, personally, but have driven several and my father was a diehard (no pun) Vette fan. Wouldnt hear of anything else.
I say "was" because he refered to my precious P-cars as "Volkswagons" for years until I finally talked him into driving the one I had at the time. Six months later, I was driving him to a seller's house to pick up his first "Volkswagon." He hasnt bought a Vette since.
Different strokes for different folks. Both the 911 and the Vette are icons. Both have been around for the better part of half a century, both are instantly recognizable and both are very, very good at what they do.
I suppose my point is that (and Im speaking generally and ignoring the discussions about most of the Japanese garbage) they are different tools which go about accomplishing the same thing in different ways. Some like one, some like the other, some like both.
Specific to this thread, I recommended that the original poster drive both and that the decision would be easy. I still maintain this. While the Z06, ZR1 or any other top of the line Vette will wipe the floor with any non GT-* 997, I find that it still lacks the feel of the P-cars.
I had an opportunity to ring out both a Z06 and a C4S last summer, nearly back to back and, while the Z06 was simply punishing and awe inspiring in its capability, it didnt make me smile. In the C4S, I was a giddy school girl for days afterward - and hell - I think the new ones are porkers. A few months after that, I had a chance to take a new Turbo (albeit a cab) through its paces and, to be completely honest, I dont think Ive ever driven a better car. Ever. It was that good. I really have no idea how they will improve upon it, but Im sure people have been saying that since the first 930 was released in the mid-70's.
Whether the Z06 will finish the quarter mile a quarter second quicker in a magazine just isnt important to me. For that kind of money, I need to be having real-life fun at all speeds and I think Porsche does that better than anyone else.
Each to his own.
