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Offline Westy

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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2009, 09:23:44 AM »
"It stalls, blacks out, engine over heats... band bobbles the plane al about the sky like it was on the end of an elastic cord!

 As for the last poster? True that the AH arena's are romper room for the fantasy minded but as for WWIIO being a WWII sim?
lol.

 Just go to Youtube and watch the unedited, undoctored and the non-promotion videos to see for yourself what the game
environment is really like. It's quank. Pure and simple.  Course players can fill in the glaring problems and missing bits with
thier imaginations to get a different feel.
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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2009, 10:28:04 AM »
 Just go to Youtube and watch the unedited, undoctored and the non-promotion videos to see for yourself what the game
environment is really like. It's quank. Pure and simple.  Course players can fill in the glaring problems and missing bits with
thier imaginations to get a different feel.


Let's see here towed at guns..A real command structure. Sniper, rifleman, light mortar troops, lmgs, smgs, grenadiers .. Troop transports ,naval battles, air battles, supply lines ,bombers factories to bomb.. Paratroops tanks close air support ....What I like the most a real map :rock  I also missed a lot of things...If u are judging a game bases on utube videos then  :noid
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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2009, 11:16:37 AM »
 Based on Youtube videos? lol. Nope. I played it for a number of years. I got fed up
with the attitude of the developers, uber-sycophantic board denizens and the almost
permanent list of problems with each of your "parts" that were not dealt with.  The
last straw for me was the brigade spawning/command structuring baloney creating
the inability to log on whenever *I* wanted to and partake in without being part of
some group.  Let alone finding a decent battle being one that wasn't a case of
"Quank" (tanks ala Quake) and spawn camping.

 The over all meshing of all those cool sounding parts you list just plain ole suxx.
IMO of course. Mainly because of all the idiotic issues with all of those pieces that
when used in the actual game environment causes the "gameplay" to, well, stink.

 At the end of the day it's no different than AH. Your game doesn't provide for realistic
WWII combat any more than the AH main arenas do. (Probably a BIG reason they
changed the games name. Another being the horrendous reputation WW2OL has in
the mmpog world) 
 WW2O or Battlefield is still a fantasy combat environment letting paying subscribers
use modelled WWII equipment.  Unless heavy squinting and large doses of of wild
imagination are used to overcome the major deficencies and problems the gameplay
is no different than that found in "Planetside"  Only the art work differentiates it from
that game.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2009, 11:19:12 AM by Westy »

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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2009, 06:56:32 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2009, 08:02:06 PM »
See Rule #4


There is no team play in AH?  


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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2009, 08:23:35 PM »

There is no team play in AH?  


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Sure there is, they call it hordes.......    :lol


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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2009, 09:49:55 PM »
Based on Youtube videos? lol. Nope. I played it for a number of years. I got fed up
with the attitude of the developers, uber-sycophantic board denizens and the almost
permanent list of problems with each of your "parts" that were not dealt with.  The
last straw for me was the brigade spawning/command structuring baloney creating
the inability to log on whenever *I* wanted to and partake in without being part of
some group.  Let alone finding a decent battle being one that wasn't a case of
"Quank" (tanks ala Quake) and spawn camping.

 The over all meshing of all those cool sounding parts you list just plain ole suxx.
IMO of course. Mainly because of all the idiotic issues with all of those pieces that
when used in the actual game environment causes the "gameplay" to, well, stink.

 At the end of the day it's no different than AH. Your game doesn't provide for realistic
WWII combat any more than the AH main arenas do. (Probably a BIG reason they
changed the games name. Another being the horrendous reputation WW2OL has in
the mmpog world) 
 WW2O or Battlefield is still a fantasy combat environment letting paying subscribers
use modelled WWII equipment.  Unless heavy squinting and large doses of of wild
imagination are used to overcome the major deficencies and problems the gameplay
is no different than that found in "Planetside"  Only the art work differentiates it from
that game.



Same here brother, Axis High Command for 2 years, 5 year sub.

And I have no idea what your talking about the brigade issue. If your talking about the fact you couldn't spawn into any town you want because you had to join another mission going on, then you obviously were not playing long enough to create your own missions.



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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2009, 12:31:10 PM »
Sure there is, they call it hordes.......    :lol
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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2009, 12:32:05 PM »
See Rule #4
« Last Edit: September 24, 2009, 12:44:06 PM by Skuzzy »
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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2009, 12:48:57 PM »
Tr1gg22, you might take a bit of time to realize whose board you are posting on.

While we do not mind other games being discussed here, we do not take it well when anyone is mindlessly derogatory and/or disrepectful of our work.  Yes, it is disrespectful for someone to do that.  If you cannot see that, then it is your problem.  Do not bring it to our board.

EDIT:  You really do not want to know what "nerve" you hit.  I will say it has something to do with, "Sheesh, you gotta be kidding".

Ever invited someone over for dinner and all they did was complain about the food, decor, smell and so on?  Do I need to elaborate?
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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2009, 01:57:31 PM »
Tr1gg22, you might take a bit of time to realize whose board you are posting on.

While we do not mind other games being discussed here, we do not take it well when anyone is mindlessly derogatory and/or disrepectful of our work.  Yes, it is disrespectful for someone to do that.  If you cannot see that, then it is your problem.  Do not bring it to our board.

EDIT:  You really do not want to know what "nerve" you hit.  I will say it has something to do with, "Sheesh, you gotta be kidding".

Ever invited someone over for dinner and all they did was complain about the food, decor, smell and so on?  Do I need to elaborate?
I apologize skuzzy You guys have a great game also...I have played since tour 72 or some were around there...You guys have the best multi player flight sim hands down :salute
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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2009, 02:02:27 PM »
No apologies or acolades needed, but thank you.
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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2009, 02:06:28 PM »
AH2,WW2ol, fighter ace, targetware,Il2, hero's of the pacific, Pacific fighters, sky defenders(not a flight sim), falcon 4.0,lock on,  these are all the flight combat sims I have played and were installed on my computer,

guess which one is still there?    the first on the list Aces High ll,  because all the others pale in comparison,

now I am not saying that all aspects of AH, is better then the rest, but the over all package of AH2, is by far the superior game.   and when I say by far I am talking a friggin landslide.

 the way those at HTC  take care of there players and game, makes it for me an easy decision on which one I want to kill the bad guy in. ( or die by the bad guy, more often then not)

now that the update from AH is pretty much iron out, it is spot on :aok

and I give Kudo's to those who put there time and effort to make this game, you can tell its not about the money for those at HTC, ya that is a benefit to get paid to do something you love,  but they love what this  game represents , and it is easy to see that.

makes it a "no brainer" for me. :rolleyes:

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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2009, 02:53:01 PM »
I've been playing WWIIOL for about a month now
and I have to say that the change has been dramatic
and very welcome.  Not that there's anything wrong
with AHII per se, it's just that I have a need for
something more.

I have long dreamed of finding a WWII simulator that
combined the elements of other game titles I play
into a single gaming experience that allowed me to
immerse myself in a World War II warfare environment.
I have found just that in WWIIOL.

Before WWIIOL, I played Day of Defeat for ground
combat, Red Orchestra for armor combat, and AHII for
aerial combat.  While AHII excels for dogfighting,
I was disappointed from day one that it allowed
P-51s to combat P-51s.  That's not WWII, which is
what I seek.

In WWIIOL I have all three experiences in one
game title and at an affordable price.  Finally.

Now one thing needs to be said.  WWIIOL requires
some discipline to learn.  It's not like AHII
where you can start racking up kills in a day or
two.  The flight model is different and, to be
honest, I prefer the FM in AHII.  There's not much
automation in flying in WWIIOL.  For example, you have to
adjust trim as you fly, there is no 'auto-climb'
and the flight dynamics are less forgiving.  Unlike
the planes in AHII that seemingly ride on rails, you
can easily stall your aircraft in WWIIOL.  Anyway,
regardless of which persona you choose to play; air force,
navy or army, WWIIOL requires navigating a learning curve
and most of all, patience, to master.

Personally, I believe that I have been spoiled by the
easy flight model in AHII and consequently have had a more
strenuous time transitioning into the WWIIOL flight
experience...but I am improving...slowly.

The fastest way to improve, gain experience and accumulate
points that qualify you for more advanced weapons
is to join a squad.  There are tons of them with
many exceeding 100 members.  Heck, I've even run into
a well-known AHII squad in there!  HINT: they were
manning anti-aircraft artillery. ;)

So what's the big deal about WWIIOL?

WWIIOL is deeply immersive and engaging to the mind
in a very profound way.  It is as close to WWII as
you can get in a computer game. It is war. 
It is multi-dimensional and complex.

When you consider that there is an actual front
line and an active ground war taking place the true
role of an air force can be fully realized.  The
first time you participate in a mass Stuka
raid against an enemy base as support for a armor
& infantry attack you are hooked.  It is combined
arms combat!  Not virtual chess.  The air war
affects the ground war.  It is coordinated,
colossal and compelling.  You don't try to merely
reset a map. You try to win the war.

Current Front:
http://www.battlegroundeurope.com/index.php/campaign-community/campaign-map

Aces High was a fine game to me for over 8 years
but I think I've outgrown it.  I need something more.
I realize that most people will shy away from the
learning curve and initial complexity of the game.
But for those who yearn for a deeper challenge that is
seemingly inexhaustible, WWIIOL will definitly keep you
engaged.

I hasten to say that I'm not knocking Aces High or the
people who continue to enjoy it by any means. Aces High
is a very enjoyable game for those exclusively interested
in aerial combat and in that regard it beats WWIIOL
hands down. 

But if WWIIOL had the same flight model, plane art and
diversity of aircraft, I believe it would quickly
dominate the WWII gaming landscape and leave all competitors
scrambling for subscribers.  My uber dream is that the
developers of AHII, WWIIOL, Day-of-Defeat and Red Orchestra
would collaborate and create 'THE' WWII combat experience. 
So, until that synergy is created, I've found the sim I
have always sought.

So to conclude, for me WWIIOL presents a deeper, richer
and more immersive gaming experience than AHII. 
Something my mind sorely needed.  :)

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Re: Curious...You guys seen WW2OL..Beta Rag Doll and other stuff?
« Reply #59 on: September 24, 2009, 03:42:09 PM »
I give Kudo's to those who put there time and effort to make this game, you can tell its not about the money for those at HTC,  {Quote from ink}
I have talked to Skuzzy on the phone when I was having a PC issue....Customer service is the best out there period...
I have talked to the billing department and kept my account active for three weeks on a promise they would have a check by a certain date...
I will tell you this ink it is all about the money.We in the United states call it a  business...There is no charity work going here...
Htc takes pride in there work hands down ,but it is for a profit...By the way Delta that was a sweet wright up :salute
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