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Offline SFRT - Frenchy

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D30 vs. D25 vs. D11?
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2001, 10:37:00 PM »
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No, and neither was the P-47.

... there is one in every crowd  

 
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2001, 12:25:00 AM »
Cool, Bud Mahurin pic.  That should be the paintjob of the Aces High razorback.  Then again, that is a -5.  Welp, I guess they have another jug to model.  

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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2001, 01:30:00 AM »
S!

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You're gonna drive me to drugs,
If you don't stop driving...
those
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2001, 06:43:00 AM »
NOW you tell me I cant turn my 47... good grief. Well that explains why I die so much. You bunch of goobers!

 Hey... I think I'm getting excited about that p47d-11... lighter sounds... nice. The 47 with some flaps and nose down can suprise ya sometimes!

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Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2001, 08:54:00 AM »
 
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I've a good idea of the D30 vs. D25 bit, but what about the D11? Did it have the paddle bladed prop? I think it's lighter, and I know it's a Razorback, but what else is there? Is there a difference in power from the D11 to the D25?

To summarise:

1. I figure that it won't have the paddle prop, because it wasn't factory fitted.
2. But since it's lighter, it should climb not too much worse than the D-25(certainly not 400fpm worse).
3. Frontal visibility will suck because of the pillar combined with limitations of a 2d monitor - in RL your eyes "look past" it, but on a monitor it will always be in focus.  
4. It has water injection giving 2300HP, like the D-25.
5. No wing pylons.

Now what confuses me, is the fact that the P-47D-25 and P-47D-30 have the same speed and climbrate in AH, despite the fact that the P-47D-30 runs 5" more MAP at both MIL and WEP!

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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2001, 11:27:00 AM »
Fenchy, I guess I am "one in every crowd" whatever I know you meant that as a compliment. However it still is true that the P-47 was and is not a good turn fighter however you are a very talented virtual pilot and make your p-47 do amazing "zeke like" amnuevers. If it were WW2, you wouldnbt do that, and Hub would fire your A--. You would be the weapons officer

BTW great pic, I love that  rendition I have it ina very large print.

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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2001, 12:50:00 PM »
S!

The misconception about the P-47 continues.

At HIGH speeds, (we're talking 400mph IAS) the P-47 rolls and turns extremely well when compared with other aircraft.

If you check the oft seen NACA chart:
 http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1947/naca-report-868/index.cgi?page42.gif

You'll see the P-47C's roll rate if extended intersects to become superior to the 190 and P-51b.


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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2001, 03:42:00 PM »
 
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S!

The misconception about the P-47 continues.

At HIGH speeds, (we're talking 400mph IAS) the P-47 rolls and turns extremely well when compared with other aircraft.

If you check the oft seen NACA chart:
 http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1947/naca-report-868/index.cgi?page42.gif

You'll see the P-47C's roll rate if extended intersects to become superior to the 190 and P-51b.


There is no misconception. You are absolutely correct. At its best corner speed it will turn hard, and it has a decent roll rate..but its no FW190 either. Its roll rate is only that good in a specific window. As does other fighters the jug has its attributes that should be taken advantage of, and its got its weaknesses. But the jug is no turn and burn fighter. It bleeds its E and there is no quick recovery.

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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2001, 03:18:00 PM »
Hehehe Ammo, I meant to say :"Even if the prototype had canons, the Delta's were not created to come near of the dogfighting job of the P47."

And yes, I know that Hub is rolling over in his grave when I chop the throttle and roll after anything with wings. Stupidity with a french accent  

Want to kill Frenchy? Pick the lowest P47 in the pack. But next thing you will read is "Kill xx by Ammo" hehehe.

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