Wirbelwind is no longer any fun...

[Dadsguns]

after reviewing more sources........ still gonna say your book is wrong lusche.......... WW was indeed built with a hand crank...... as your picture clearly shows..... as all pictures show......... but it also had a drive motor place on the lower left front of the frame which drove the turret........ the handcrank was there for motor failure.....

however given that the book cited by smokey lists about a 10 second full rotation.......... and I just tested with stopwatch and our version has a 13 second rotation....... I have to say that its probably pretty accurate..... after all I doubt 3 seconds for a full rotation is going to make that big of a difference in a game

still couldnt find any sources that listed the speed....... but they do clearly show the motor and state that it was powered

some other vehicles using the PIV chasis (which is what the WW sits on) were actually fixed onto the turrets drive... although the WW is self powered....... the other variants using the PIVs turret drive I would assume would operate at its speed which is a full rotation in about 25 seconds......... which our version of PIV accurately reflects

Interesting...... hmmm

[caldera]

Interesting...... hmmm

Are you one of Batch's sources, Dadsguns?

[Dadsguns]

 

[waystin2]

I love the new traverse speed. I can do this now...

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A beautiful example of why SA applies in GV's too!  Priceless...

[crazierthanu]

I upped a wirble today and didn't really notice that much of a difference.

[ACE]

I upped a wirble today and didn't really notice that much of a difference.

Did you turn the turrent lol it's REALLY slower.

[B4Buster]

A beautiful example of why SA applies in GV's too!  Priceless...

 

[OOZ662]

How fast did the old whirbel make a complete rotation?

6.5 seconds.

[NoBaddy]

6.5 seconds.

Soooo....

The upshot here is that the guy that posted from his manuals to complain about HTC, in fact proved that HTC pretty much matched what the manual said the rotation should be.......go figure. 

[OOZ662]

Apparently, it used to be 6.5 seconds, it's currently 13, and it should be 10.

[RufusLeaking]

after reviewing more sources........ still gonna say your book is wrong lusche.......... WW was indeed built with a hand crank...... as your picture clearly shows..... as all pictures show......... but it also had a drive motor place on the lower left front of the frame which drove the turret........ the handcrank was there for motor failure.....

The Wirbel is based on which Panzer hull? 

Did the Panzer in question have a powered turret?  Very probably yes. 

So, why take it out of the Wirbel?  Maybe a supply issue, but the only engineering reasons would be space and weight.  The WW turret seems like it would be lighter and have less angular momentum issues.  Space seems more of a possibility, but a big gun panzer would have space restrictions, also. 

Anyway, that HTC works to this level of detail is commendable. 

[OOZ662]

It's not that they took it out, it's that it was far too fast for historical accuracy before and has been brought down to match whatever data they found...but, some argue that it's been taken down too much.

EDIT: I believe it was based on a Panzer IV-H chassis.

[Lusche]

So, why take it out of the Wirbel?  Maybe a supply issue, but the only engineering reasons would be space and weight.

Actually the main engineering reason is resources, which where pretty scarce at that point of the war. Even the final Panzer IV variant, the Panzer IVJ (1944) got it's powered traverse removed completely! (Be glad we have the midwar variant )


Wirbels were for the most part built on damaged Panzer IV chassis.

[smokey23]

My tech manual shows the wirblewind turret was produced by Brünn or Rheinmetall-Borsig) and installed  on a Pz.Kpfw.IV chassis.

other wirble tech info.

Length 5.92m
width 2.90m
Height 2.76m
Weight 25tons
Engine Maybach HL 120 TRM 12 cylinder water cooled 11.9 l. gasoline
Crew
•Commander/gunner
•2 * loader
•Radio operator
•Driver

Armour 10 -80mm

Max speed38Km/hr

Range200km

theres alot more but i have to go to work

[Lepape2]

Apparently, it used to be 6.5 seconds, it's currently 13, and it should be 10.

If this is true, then this is just to make up for the past. When HiTech feels that the Wirbles have been disabled enough by other planes/tanks, they will put it back to 10. Then, everyone will be happy like kids playing with their new favourite toys.