Thank you HTC...

[Kazaa]

That was shocking, I should read back what I wrote before posting.

accuracy*

[Bruv119]

don't forget synching.

Plus the JPEG retort made me   

<---- bored at work

[Kazaa]

Working on a Saturady, pwnt!

[Dadsguns]

HTC listens a lot more than people give them credit for.....

 

Your absolutely right,,,,,   

[Anaxogoras]

Remember that VVS pilots preferred the 23mm Il-2 over the 37mm variant.  This small change is hardly going to make the 23mm the preferred variant in AH, so it's not like the sky is falling on our make-believe world.

[waystin2]

No difference from what I can see. Honestly Waystin, your a nice kid but I dont see what your in such a lather about with this airplane. The tank you like arent modeled 100% Historically correct either. Ive spent an entire night getting potshotted by main tank cannon. Something which never happened in the war. Elevation degree and speed? Accuracy? Range? Reload times? How accurate is all that in the tanks? So be carefull what you wish for.

Ive been killing tanks all night. The IL2 hasnt skipped a beat.

It wasnt worth all the obsessing. If I ever see you in your Sherman I'll show you why.

Honestly Rich this 40 year old "kid" is not in a lather about anything concerning the IL-2.  Your comments continue to be as impolite as ever.  Further if you took the time to get to know me, you would know that I am in a Wirbelwind 10 times more often than a tank.

If that is how the guns were designed to fire, then I have been totally missing the mark about what the fuss was about.  I thought the issue was that, historically, they became unsynced in a continuous fire mode.  My bad, I guess.

At any rate, I used the IL-2 as much as I could tonight.  I really didn't notice much change in accuracy.  In fact, I think there is an unintended side effect that many will not like . . . now that it is a more continuous stream of hot lead, it is harder for enemy planes to fly between volleys.   

If the IL-2 is not experiencing massive flight disruption while using the 37mm sustained fire, then I will take it back to the wishlist.  Here are the facts, that have not been refuted with documented evidence:

1) The 37mm guns were unsynched, and when firing more than 2-3 shots at a time caused massive disruption to the airplanes flight.  Literally jolting the plane and pilot left and right.

2) It took 2-3 IL-2's to kill lightly armored vehicles, and up to 10 or more for heavily armored vehicles.

3) The Russian Pilots themselves preferred the 23mm guns over the 37mm guns because of the inherent problems of the gun package.

[shreck]

If the IL-2 is not experiencing massive flight disruption while using the 37mm sustained fire, then I will take it back to the wishlist.  Here are the facts, that have not been refuted with documented evidence:

1) The 37mm guns were unsynched, and when firing more than 2-3 shots at a time caused massive disruption to the airplanes flight.  Literally jolting the plane and pilot left and right.

2) It took 2-3 IL-2's to kill lightly armored vehicles, and up to 10 or more for heavily armored vehicles.

3) The Russian Pilots themselves preferred the 23mm guns over the 37mm guns because of the inherent problems of the gun package.

And they didn't have F3 view either                                     Just throwin a little coal on it 

[Anaxogoras]

Honestly Rich this 40 year old "kid" is not in a lather about anything concerning the IL-2.  Your comments continue to be as impolite as ever.  Further if you took the time to get to know me, you would know that I am in a Wirbelwind 10 times more often than a tank.

Rich is usually polite and friendly when the discussion doesn't involve criticism of how the 37mm Il-2 was modeled.  Otherwise, he reverts to all varieties of pseudo-argument to discredit the messenger.

[Shuffler]

And they didn't have F3 view either                                     Just throwin a little coal on it 

It was tried but the GOTR did not do well on landing.

oh almost forgot... GOTR = Guy On The Rope 

[E25280]

1) The 37mm guns were unsynched, and when firing more than 2-3 shots at a time caused massive disruption to the airplanes flight.  Literally jolting the plane and pilot left and right.

This is the part I am having a little trouble understanding.  When the trigger was first pulled, did both guns fire, and then become "unsynched" as firing continued?  Or did they fire one side, then the other?  If the former, then IMHO HTC should have left it the way it was.  If the latter, I am not sure why it would take more than one shot to cause a disruption in the plane's flight, as the cavetations would begin with the first shot, so the description doesn't make sense to me.  You've done the research, would you mind clarifying?

2) It took 2-3 IL-2's to kill lightly armored vehicles, and up to 10 or more for heavily armored vehicles.

Everything in AH will be more effective than was the reality from the simple fact that no one is worried about really dying, so everyone is more willing to do things a RL pilot most likely would not -- like closing to within 200 yards before shooting at a tank and then missing the ground by inches on pull-out.

3) The Russian Pilots themselves preferred the 23mm guns over the 37mm guns because of the inherent problems of the gun package.

I'm sure many Russian pilots preferred the LA or Yak to the I-16, but we have the I-16 in the game, too . . . so this is really a non-factor.

[Lusche]

Everything in AH will be more effective than was the reality from the simple fact that no one is worried about really dying, so everyone is more willing to do things a RL pilot most likely would not -- like closing to within 200 yards before shooting at a tank and then missing the ground by inches on pull-out.

One example is killing tanks in a Hurricane 2D. The standard way to attack tanks was flying level, but very low, shooting enemy tanks into their rear armor. A dangerous thing even without enemy ack... but far less dangerous than the way I (and other 2D pilots in game) do attack tanks in Aces High. A real world pilot would most probably not chose a method that has a 10-20% chance of augering per sortie.
I don't risk anything here, so I'm able to kill much more (and heavier armored tanks!) by diving on them almost vertically before pulling out of the dive maybe 20 feet above the ground.

[Rich46yo]

Rich is usually polite and friendly when the discussion doesn't involve criticism of how the 37mm Il-2 was modeled.  Otherwise, he reverts to all varieties of pseudo-argument to discredit the messenger.

Actually my comments are directed at you and Schreck far more then Waystin.

I dont come trotting into the forum, bi-weekly, complaining about the plane or vehicle that just shot me down. I deal with it!

And by the direction of the whines I normally dont even have to check anyones scores to see what they fly/drive. They never call for the drumming down, or was it a Historical Savior act ?, for whatever plane of vehicle floats their boat.

Yaknow its not the wishing, its not the cannon or the airplane, its not the sync or unsync that gets me. Its the constant Waaa-waaa-waaa that gets me. I'm a little surprised the powers that be buckled to it but they still left me a wonderful and deadly killer to hunt Tanks with.

I guess for your next project you can tackle the Sherman M4 that had a traverse rate of 24% a second. There are 360% in a full traverse right? So thats 15 seconds? It also had an manual elevation of 25% to - 12%. So get on that too. And the sights and max distance of the cannon. After wishing for that for a few months we'll move on to the next tank because in real life Tanks weren't large caliber Osties nor could they kill other tanks 5 miles away. I got clipped by a Sherman Ostie yesterday but instead of chirping in the forum I simply upped another IL2 and got back to business. Cause deep down I know they model very well and cartoon fighting will never be perfect.

Seeya in cartoon land.

[Shuffler]

lol I got clipped once by a tank with his main gun as I was crossing by him after an m3. Then I got hit by a tank doing the ol' shooting into the ground bit. Gamey but available in AH and folks will take advantage with it. I simply moved to another area.

Never said anything on 200.

[Rich46yo]

Well all kidding aside, and believe it or not many of my comments are tounge in cheek, I havnt skipped a beat with my IL2. And since I havnt I can only assume the other dedicated GV hunters havnt either. And there isnt a lot of us. Theres a lot who fly it but only a few that fly it real regular. I mean K/D so far this month in LW it only accounts for 13,000 K/Ds where the Panzer-lV and Sherman alone add up to over 83,000 .

Once again the IL2 is going to end up with a sub-1.00 K/D, "its at .99 now". So GV'ers have tightened their tactics, something I noticed several tours ago. For me nothing is more fun then a big fight where GVs, fighters, and GV killers are mixing it up. The game is at its best during these tactical gunfights. And I often get clobbered too. If your going to fight the IL2 your going to end up taking your Lumps as well.

To anyone who hasnt tried the new gun sync I would advise you change nothing. Come in high, tight, and shoot point blank into the thin top armor. I wouldnt change anything tactics-wise.

[Dadsguns]

.....by diving on them almost vertically before pulling out of the dive maybe 20 feet above the ground.

   ....and we are so concerned with the speed of a turret being realistic....