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Offline Rino

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Re: Johns Hopkins Student Cuts off a home intruders hand
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2009, 07:44:24 PM »
     Just goes to show the old saying:

Never bring a hand to a swordfight  :D
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Re: Johns Hopkins Student Cuts off a home intruders hand
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2009, 08:10:35 PM »
I've tried look up laws on Katanas or swords in general as I own several (pre-Japanese ban) that have already been in the states for some time(not the cheapy stainless steel pieces of junk)..
There are no such laws in the works as swords are held under the same laws as knives (in the US)..  Having one in your home for ornamental or protection reasons is absolutely legal..  You just can't walk down the street with it..  

Also, the stories you hear of criminals getting seriously injured or dying and then the victims being sued is the stuff of urban legends..  I've tried to find cases where the criminal actually won and I was unsuccessful..  BUT, I did find this on Snopes, so I guess we can all see that this is pretty much BS, as I'm sure we all suspect...http://www.snopes.com/katrina/crime/drowned.asp

I live in Indiana and we have some of the best Castle Laws next to Texas..  

AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning firearms and self-defense.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana:

SECTION 1. IC 35-41-3-2 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2006]: Sec. 2. (a) A person is justified in using reasonable force against another person to protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person:
(1) is justified in using deadly force; only and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
if the person reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person or the commission of a forcible felony. No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the person or a third person by reasonable means necessary.
(b) A person:
(1) is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person; and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person's unlawful entry of or attack on the person's dwelling, or curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle.
(c) With respect to property other than a dwelling, or curtilage, or an occupied motor vehicle, a person is justified in using reasonable force against another person if the person reasonably believes that the
force is necessary to immediately prevent or terminate the other person's trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person's possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person's immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect. However, a person:
(1) is not justified in using deadly force; unless and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
only if that force is justified under subsection (a).
(d) A person is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person and does not have a duty to retreat if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or stop the other person from hijacking, attempting to hijack, or otherwise seizing or attempting to seize unlawful control of an aircraft in flight. For purposes of this subsection, an aircraft is considered to be in flight while the aircraft is:
(1) on the ground in Indiana:
(A) after the doors of the aircraft are closed for takeoff; and
(B) until the aircraft takes off;
(2) in the airspace above Indiana; or
(3) on the ground in Indiana:
(A) after the aircraft lands; and
(B) before the doors of the aircraft are opened after landing.
(e) Notwithstanding subsections (a), (b), and (c), a person is not justified in using force if:
(1) the person is committing or is escaping after the commission of a crime;
(2) the person provokes unlawful action by another person with intent to cause bodily injury to the other person; or
(3) the person has entered into combat with another person or is the initial aggressor unless the person withdraws from the encounter and communicates to the other person the intent to do so and the other person nevertheless continues or threatens to continue unlawful action.
(f) Notwithstanding subsection (d), a person is not justified in using force if the person:
(1) is committing, or is escaping after the commission of, a crime;
(2) provokes unlawful action by another person, with intent to cause bodily injury to the other person; or
(3) continues to combat another person after the other person withdraws from the encounter and communicates the other person's intent to stop hijacking, attempting to hijack, or otherwise seizing or attempting to seize unlawful control of an aircraft in flight.

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Re: Johns Hopkins Student Cuts off a home intruders hand
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2009, 08:13:36 PM »
I love how "DOES NOT HAVE A DUTY TO RETREAT" is all over this thing.... :rock
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Re: Johns Hopkins Student Cuts off a home intruders hand
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2009, 08:34:49 PM »
I love how "DOES NOT HAVE A DUTY TO RETREAT" is all over this thing.... :rock

After doing some more research, I have found that the states of Iowa, New Hampshire(doesn't surprise me), Virginia, New Mexico, and D.C. have no Castle Laws...
But they do have a law which says you have a "Duty to Retreat"..  Depends what state..  Some say you have to retreat completely(leave your home and belongings) if you and your family are
under threat.. 

You will never catch me living in any of these states...

Several states(Including my state of Indiana) have what is called "Stand your ground Law" which basically says if you are under attack from a violent aggressor(this includes your home being robbed, car being stolen, etc.) you have the right to use deadly force to protect yourself, your family and your possessions..  This also extends to a third party(seeing a neighbor being attacked).. 
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Re: Johns Hopkins Student Cuts off a home intruders hand
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2009, 08:45:11 PM »
The dude was basically a guy with no life, no future, and he could of hurt someone or even killed. A student not only does self-defense but kills the guy and they "review" charges? What?  :huh

The poor guy could have been dead or hurt if he hadn't defended himself, plus he got rid of a pest which you can't just shoot and leave like nothing happened.  :furious
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Re: Johns Hopkins Student Cuts off a home intruders hand
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2009, 09:39:04 PM »
swords kill people...... we need more sword control laws........... you should have to take a 6 week safety training course then provide 6000 forms of ID and submit to several background checks blah blah etc etc

sword safety needs to be  at the forefront of legislation............ without more laws how can we safely feel at peace while all these swords exist

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Re: Johns Hopkins Student Cuts off a home intruders hand
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2009, 08:06:35 AM »
The dude was basically a guy with no life, no future, and he could of hurt someone or even killed. A student not only does self-defense but kills the guy and they "review" charges? What?  :huh

someone was killed, surely its reasonable to investigate and establish whether the killing was legal?
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Re: Johns Hopkins Student Cuts off a home intruders hand
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2009, 09:30:09 AM »
someone was killed, surely its reasonable to investigate and establish whether the killing was legal?

I'm quite sure it was legal, the perp was in their home illegally, attempting to rob them, and he lunged at the guy and the took that as a threat to his life and reacted the way most people would.
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