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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2009, 04:25:45 PM »
German production did rise..... about 50 feet off the ground with each blast.  :D
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2009, 04:26:23 PM »
:lol unintentional

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didn't really think so.......just me beingh a wise arse.  :rofl :aok
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2009, 05:02:38 PM »
Dont forget that the strategic bombing campaign had an added side effect.  It forced the Luftwaffe to come up and try to take down the bombers.  While in the early stages of the war, the bombers were getting their butts handed to them, once long range fighter escorts became available, that was reversed, and it was the Luftwaffe that was losing the most pilots and planes.  

And, with the allied fighters being given the freedom to chase down and destroy the German fighters while performing escort duty, the back of the Luftwaffe was broken... giving the allies complete air superiority and the ability to provide CAS anywhere, at anytime.  

So... while the impact of the bombing itself may be debated, the fact that the bombing missions were conducted led to string of events that had a huge impact on the outcome of the war.

And just so this isnt COMPLETELY off topic...  I think there is plenty of room for everyone on just about any kind of map to play how they want to.  Large and small maps have their place in the game, and each provide different opportunities and challenges.

The back of the luftwaffe was broken long before, during the battle of britain. Go Churchill woowoooo!
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2009, 05:04:48 PM »
The back of the luftwaffe was broken long before, during the battle of britain. Go Churchill woowoooo!
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2009, 05:07:52 PM »
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and the eagle squadron, and the polish squadron, and the canadian squadron...........oops...thi nk they should all be plural.

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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2009, 09:19:28 PM »
Point is that production would have increased vastly more without the bombing:

"At the end of January 1945 Albert Speer and his ministerial colleagues met in Berlin to sum up what bombing had done to production schedules for 1944.  They found that Germany had produced 35 per cent fewer tanks than planned, 31 per cent fewer aircraft and 42 per cent fewer lorries as a result of the bombing."

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"By 1944 one-third of all German artillery production consisted of anti-aircraft guns; the anti-aircraft effort absorbed 20 per cent of all ammunition produced, one-third of the output of the optical industry, and between half and two-thirds of the production of radar and signals equipment...The Bombing also ate into Germany's scarce manpower:  by 1944 an estimated two million Germans were engaged in anti-aircraft defence, in repairing shattered factories and in generally cleaning up the destruction."

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"The combined effects of direct destruction and the diversion of resources denied German forces approximately half their battle-front weapons and equipment in 1944.  It is difficult not to regard this margin as decisive."

From Overy, Richard, "Why the Allies Won," Norton, New York 1996, pages 130-131.

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This is all true, what you say.    

But, if you look at what I'm saying in response to the poster above.... all of this was not decisive in germany's defeat.  Meaning, yes it contributed, but airpower was not the decisive blow to the industrial complex.

All of what I'm saying comes right out of the Army Air Corp's Post-war assessment.  The effect of the strategic bombing campaign and the airwar in general cannot be pulled out as being causal to the defeat of Germany.  Yes it helped, especially the destruction of refinery capabilities.  But it was not decisive, which was the gentleman's point that I replied to, who in turn was replying to someone saying that "airpower is never decisive in conflict".
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Re: Base Captures and Winning the war Answer new Maps
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2009, 09:22:32 PM »
The back of the luftwaffe was broken long before, during the battle of britain. Go Churchill woowoooo!

Actually the luftwaffe's back was broken in the cold expanse of the Russian steppe.  It got its' nose bloodied at the BoB, but Hitler's insane choice to attack Russia broke it.  
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