Any plans on TA152?

[funked]

I bet the second set of markings saw more flying hours than the first set.  

[Vermillion]

Actually, I believe the first picture is also of a captured bird, in American hands.

If I remember right when the American Intelligence units captured a plane it was marked with a "FE#" marking.

Which translates to "Foreign Equipment ###".

I can't remember where I read that, but it seems right.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[Westy]

It is right. I used to have a link to a url that had a list of all the FE numbers and what the aircraft were.

-Westy

[Karnak]

 

Originally posted by Revvin:
Hmm might be a bit too uber for the alied wussies   I can imagine they are already getting their panties all bunched up just thinking about it   A possible perk plane?

You mean the Allied wussies who have yet to make one complaint against the idea of adding the Fw190D-9 or Ta152 and yet have to endure endless LW whining if we so much as mention that we want the Spitfire MkXIV or P-51H?  This despite the FACT that the Spitfire MkXIV predates the Ta152 by more than a year?

<shakes head sadly>

I hope HTC puts the Fw190D-9 in soon.  I think we should wait on the Ta152 a bit longer though.  It would be nice to get a fighter with some high altitude performance so that we can manuever with, or maybe even out manuever  , the B-17s at 30,000ft though.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Crapgame]

uggggh...that bird is uglier than Roseanne Arnold...but one hell of a lot skinnier..

Looks like a stickbug...how can u respect that? Besides, if it's ever modelled, I'll still have my 8x.50s and they know what to do to it..<g>


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62nd F.S.
56th F.G. "Zemke's Wolfpack"

[eddiek]

Nothing against LW planes, but especially nearer the end of WW2, they had all kinds of planes they thought about building, built a very limited number of, that had little impact on the war.
IMHO, for a plane to make it to the MA, it should have seen significant production, not a plane that only saw 48 of it's type produced.
I personally would like to see the F6F, or the P47M or N introduced, but know that such an event is unlikely, as we already have the D-25 and D-30.
If HTC is going to implement limited production aircraft into the game, I wish they create a new arena, call it the "What If?" arena, and leave the insignificant ones out of the MA.
The P47M saw limited service, you say?  Huh-uh.  It was available in 1944, more than a year before the end of hostilities.  Why do I think the LW folks would not want it added?
How about an initial climb rate of 4400ft/min at sea level, 4100 ft/min at 20K, and a top speed of 487, faster than even the G10.  On the other hand, why not the 47M?  We have the 109f, G2, G6, and G10, so why not one more P47, and eliminate the D-25?
Regardless, I respect others' opinions, regardless of whether I agree with them.  
I agree that we need the 190D model, and it was Focke-Wulfe's answer to the need for a high altitude interceptor, which it did quite well.
For the Japanese, I think the KI-84 is long overdue, as it comes closer to competing with the P51, P38, and P47, not to mention the Spit and LW iron.  The A6M5b is quite useless with the current planeset, except as a point defense interceptor, and God help you if a sharp 190 pilot is in the area, especially in an A5.
Just my thoughts fellas (and gals if applicable).

[Wilbus]

Hmmmmmmm, the Ta152 is not a "what if..." plane, it saw action, just like the 262 in very limited numbers, yes, the saw more but not that much.
You can add that to a "what if..." plane aswell but add it and the Ta152 to "what if they hade more...".
They both saw action wich makes em worth adding to the MA, personaly I don't like the 262 but it's worth adding.

I have no problem at all if HTC add Allied planes wich saw only saw very limited action, will only give the LW some more and tougher action.
I don't know if the P47M saw any action, if it did, it would be very nice to have.
P47M first flew in Mid 1944, 133 were built.
Top speed was 470Mph wich is the same as the Ta152H-0 I belive, not sure about the Ta152 speed.
The P47N had a top speed of 460Mph and quite many were built but did any of them see action?

I am an LW guy and have no problem at all with HTC adding late war planes, spit 14 and spit 21 would be very cool to have in there.
Spit 21 didn't see much action either though.



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III/JG5 "EisMeer"

[-lynx-]

Geez - TA152 a perk plane? Hmmm... A run-of-the-mill Dora   would beat the toejam outta this ugly mother unless the beating happens to be in stratosphere.

TA152 was designed as a high alt interceptor and would be at a disatvantage at "normal" altitudes.

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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF

[mx22]

I belive P-47N seen action in Pacific theatre, it came just too late for ETO.

mx22

[mx22]

 

Originally posted by -lynx-:
Geez - TA152 a perk plane? Hmmm... A run-of-the-mill Dora   would beat the toejam outta this ugly mother unless the beating happens to be in stratosphere.

TA152 was designed as a high alt interceptor and would be at a disatvantage at "normal" altitudes.

-lynx-,

As I have already pointed out numerous times before, speed is life And Ta-152 has plenty of it to escape from any plane. This is not to say I don't want it becase it's so fast or so uber, but simply because so few of them were produced. Some LW types might say that it saw combat, but this happened only because Germany at that time needed all it could. As a matter of fact, Ta-152 (both C and H) never completed full testing program because they couldn't produce enough planes for testing purposes on time.
I have already seen LW ask for planes like that, but at the same time they scream that Allied prototypes should not be modeled in the game, while in fact many of Allied prototypes were in fact better tested then some of the German so called "production" planes.

mx22

[-lynx-]

OK, lesse how long you live when those glider wings fold on you during a high speed pass in normall atmosphere . There are no "universally great planes". Something that excells at altitude will invariably suck lower down and vice versa. Unless it's a just a _good_ all-rounder like, say, err... umm.. Spit XIV?

Escape from any plane? Hmmmm... Wilbus above compares top speed of TA152 with that of 47M... What's missing in that comparison is the altitutde that speed was achieved, time to accelerate to it etc. As well as all other factors...

It is amazing how many times we compare apples and oranges seemingly talking about "the same" things like max speed, armament etc

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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF

[Vermillion]

I have original Focke-Wulf factory test data including speed vs altitude, and climb versus altitude for all the Ta152 varients. If you are interested, I can post the link here again. But I guarantee you that below 25,000 ft (and really up to 30,000ft) the 190D9 will totally out perform it.

 

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 08-07-2000).]

[Vermillion]

F4U-4B Combat History Reference:

Here is one source of combat history of the F4U-4B. But I will say that true Corsairs fans will debate the subject endlessly over whether they were truely -1C's or -4B's.

F4U Corsair: Combat, Developement, and Racing History of the Corsair (Motorbooks International, Warbird History Series). By Nicholas Veronico, with John and Donna Campbell. ISBN#: 0-87938-854-4

 

F4U-4's and the new cannon equipped F4U-4B's flew into combat for the first time on April 7, 1945. While launching Corsairs of MAG-31 from the decks of the escort CV's USS Sitkoh Bay(CVE-86) and USS Breton (CVE-23), a Japanese Kawasaki Ki-48 "Lily" bomber on a Kamikaze mission was reported 10 miles from the carriers at an altitude of 500 ft.  The Corsairs engaged the Lily, firing into the bombers engines and fueselage. Five pilots from VMF-311 riddled the bomber with 20mm cannon fire. Although heavily  damaged, the Lily continued the attack on the Sitkoh Bay. About 50 yards from the ship, the Lily's starboard wing failed, and the bomber crashed short of the carrier

Here is a link to the book on Barnes&Noble's website. Its pretty good with alot of good pictures. Its softback and sales for $24.95
 http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=47SN5N3D0X&mscssid=R9ME9M7FD4S92N9L001PQJ9WMWKBAAC2&isbn=0-87938-854-4

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[mx22]

-lynx-,

Any plane with the speed close to P-51 is more then capable of surviving in the arena. Keep your speed up and do B&Z all day long.
Btw, it's speed wasn't even the point of my reply. The whole thing is no matter what people say, Ta-152 didn't go much farther then a prototype plane forced into production due to to the circumstances.

mx22

[Ash]

  Wish I had my references with me but I don't. There were 2<?> Ta152 aces, and I think the final missions for the 152 were  protecting Me262s during landings and take offs. <Though they were designed for high alt intercept.> Granted there had been less than 80 planes active by the end of the war, but they were involved in combat. Would be nice to have a Ta152 in the Defense of the Riech colors < I would perfer orange and red strips!>
  I would love to to see the Ta152 fly, but do agree the Dora is required first! < ...And there shall be great wailing and gnashing of teeth that day.. > :-).

OTR,
Ash
I./JG2