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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2009, 05:47:32 PM »
Hell, you could  hover in a strong wind....
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2009, 08:00:10 PM »
The F4U-1A is (like said before) the best of the unperked hogs.  It also has good speed, it wont catch a 51 or a 190D but its pretty fast.  If you want to move some mud, just take a -1D, its similar to the -1A just a little slower with the hard points.   :salute

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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2009, 08:04:11 PM »
OK thanks. F4U-1 or 1A and then the F4U-4 thanks guys...
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2009, 11:19:16 PM »
Little more specific breakdown by type:

The F4U-1 is a few mph slower than the F4U-1A, and not quite as good of a turner. As patches has said, the 1 has significantly poorer acceleration and sustained rate of climb than the rest of the lineup, however it is NOT a factor of raw engine power. The -1 we have is a later block that has the same R-2800-8 (W) as the 1A/D/C. The difference is that the other three 1-series hogs have a broad-chord paddle prop. Her turn radius is marginally wider than the 1A, to the point where the difference isn't significant, however the -1 actually reaches her best cornering ability with full flaps.

The F4U-1A is the fastest of the 1-series Hogs (a few MPH over the -1, and ~25+ over the 1D/C depending on altitude. The version we have is a later block that added a paddle prop, so has much improved acceleration and climb over the -1. She also has the tightest turn radius of all the Hogs (including the -4) however her ideal cornering is at two notches of flaps. As has been said, the 1A is probably the best pure dogfighter of the 1-series. Although her acceleration and climb aren't spectacular, you're not in quite as bad shape if you blow your energy as if you were in the -1. The 1A tends to feel more stable than the other Hogs.

SPECIAL NOTE - The 1 and 1A have two additional fuel tanks, one in each wing. This means they're going to be a little heavier at a given fuel percentage than the 1D/C and 4. However the fuel tanks offer their own advantages:

  • You have much greater range on internal fuel, so don't need to carry drop tanks. Therefore there's no worrying about deciding if you should cut your tank or keep it while you engage.
  • Fuel levels in the tanks can be manipulated to balance against engine torque (usually leaving 25% left and 50% right is sufficient).
  • It provides a nice reserve to get home after your main tank takes a hit. Which is almost always the second thing to go after your engine oil....

The F4U-1D isn't quite as maneuverable as the -1, but it's not too significant a difference. She also climbs and accelerates much better, so I would argue this makes her the superior dogfighter over the birdcage. She's also about 20mph slower, just clearing 400mph at her best altitude. The 1D's greatest value is as ground-attack, though, so I primarily use her as a bomb truck. She can roughly match the range of the 1 and 1A's internal range by carrying a pair of drop tanks. I find her a bit less stable than the 1A, largely because I use the wing tanks on the 1A to balance against torque.

The 1C is the least agile of the F4Us. The difference is subtle, but can be noteworthy in Hog-on-Hog matchups. I've gone up against several very good Hog sticks my 1A vs. their Charlie, and were closely matched enough as far as piloting ability that it came down to the 1A's slight advantage in maneuverability. Speed, climb and acceleration are on-par with the 1D. Obviously, the big draw of the 1C is the firepower of the cannon, however while some people will disagree I don't think this is enough to quite make up for her loss of maneuverability. I mostly use her as a secondary bomb truck (keep in mind she carries less ordinance than the 1D, as well) although her firepower makes her a good BUFF hunter.

The F4U-4 is a whole different beast. She's one of the fastest props at altitude, and she completely addresses the climb and acceleration issues of the earlier marks. Acceleration especially is within less than a second of many of the common MA dragsters. She can shed speed and altitude, and regain it again almost at will. I usually use her as a slump breaker, or if I'm expecting to go into situations where I'm really going to need the speed.

All of the F4Us excel in knife-edge flaps-out stallfighting and high-speed slashing/BnZ-style fights, and even energy fighting. A lot depends on which model you're flying and your situation. I do tend to find that the 1C is better for open fighting due to her somewhat poorer maneuverability, while the -1 you really have to be careful in large fights not to blow your speed. In general, though, I feel the Corsair is better kept fast in large, multi-contact engagements, with never more than 1 or 2 notches of flaps.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2009, 11:21:24 PM by Saxman »
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2009, 12:06:31 PM »
Little more specific breakdown by type:

The F4U-1 is a few mph slower than the F4U-1A, and not quite as good of a turner. As patches has said, the 1 has significantly poorer acceleration and sustained rate of climb than the rest of the lineup, however it is NOT a factor of raw engine power. The -1 we have is a later block that has the same R-2800-8 (W) as the 1A/D/C. The difference is that the other three 1-series hogs have a broad-chord paddle prop. Her turn radius is marginally wider than the 1A, to the point where the difference isn't significant, however the -1 actually reaches her best cornering ability with full flaps.
In general, though, I feel the Corsair is better kept fast in large, multi-contact engagements, with never more than 1 or 2 notches of flaps.

please do not let the quoted bold underline text confuse you with best corner speed/corner velocity(best instantaneous Turnspeed/rate) vs sustained turnrate/speed........

the F4U-1 has an equal amount of turnrate for notches 2 thru 5(full out) with only difference being tighter turn radius, as to where the F4U-1A is best with turnrate with 2 notches out ( 1 notch is almost as good as 2 notches, just marginally less )

cornerspeed is gradually higher/faster than sustained turnspeed...learning to maneuver well while maintaining staying near the planes best cornerspeed is a skill to learn/seek out and practice.......even better is to learn to fly your F4U series plane with in its envelope of best cornerspeed (instantaneous Turnspeed/rate) & best sustained turnspeed/rate......... you will benefit most from learning to control this window of the flight envelope.......

« Last Edit: October 04, 2009, 12:11:34 PM by TequilaChaser »
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2009, 12:10:14 PM »
Thanks sax your post was copied and saved as "F4U info".
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2009, 11:07:25 PM »
just FYI the -1A can excede 550 MPH without coming apart.  I have heard rumors that you can roll the airspeed gauge all the way around back to zero (600 MPH) and keep on flying.  :aok

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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2009, 11:23:45 PM »
Sturdy airframe.... I'll see if I can break 600 tomarrow...
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2009, 12:10:10 AM »
if in the MA, fair amount of enmy, i suggest the -1a :rock
the midwar arena is fun place to fly the -1 less crowded
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2009, 12:18:11 AM »
+1 1A. You have to stick with it, its tough at first, you have to learn to use flaps and when. You have to learn when to get out of a fight. You need to fly it a lot, and you will love it.
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2009, 06:11:07 PM »
+1 1A. You have to stick with it, its tough at first, you have to learn to use flaps and when. You have to learn when to get out of a fight. You need to fly it a lot, and you will love it.

I'm screwed then, I've lost all sence of when its time to leave. And I don't really care about LANDING the kills. I'll plug away till I'm empty...
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2009, 06:15:21 PM »
I'm screwed then, I've lost all sence of when its time to leave. And I don't really care about LANDING the kills. I'll plug away till I'm empty...

I don't care about landings kill all that much either. What I care about is keeping some miserable spalpeen out there from getting even a fleeting moment of pleasure from seeing the message "You shot down BnZs". I play for the shadenfreude.  :devil
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2009, 06:16:29 PM »
What I do is compensate by seeing what who shot me down flew, and then killing all of that type in the area.
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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2009, 12:19:38 AM »
sometimes i get so mad i up a -4 and to tempest hunting  :furious

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Re: Which hog is for me?
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2009, 11:31:09 AM »
I like the -1 the best for non perk ride.  To me the -1 is better handling then all the hogs except the -4.  But that just me and probably because its my main ride.  I know others will argue but if U look at my stats, u will see I don't fly the -1a hardly.
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