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Offline Tac

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« on: August 11, 2000, 11:34:00 AM »
Browsing through some P-38 websites I found surprising anecdotes of how many P-38L pilots had the chance to get a different weapons loadout on their planes.

One of these examples, quote:

"P-38 pilots liked their one 20-mm Hispano with 150 rounds up in the nose with the four .50s and their 500 r.p.g. Texan Paul Murphy of the 5th AF's 80th FS of the 8th FG dispatched a mixed bag of E/A consisting of the Zeke, Hamp, Tony, and Oscar in his six confirmed and three probable score. They had a special "one off" P-38 that the armors cobbled up to carry six fifties.

 "Dick Bong would come down to pick and choose the best missions with us and flew the six-gun but felt it was too nose-heavy," remembers Captain Murphy.

Can be found in:
 http://www.combatsim.com/htm/feb00/gunkill-2.htm

I dont have the links for the other sites, im trying to find them again..grr..

But still, it would be fun if AH allowed us to get 6 .50's in the 38!  


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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2000, 12:08:00 PM »
Hmm.... (6 .50's) or (4 .50's + 1 20mm).

Tough decision  

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2000, 01:32:00 PM »
very easy decision, 6 x .50, specially if the other 2 get 500 rpg also =)
I can deal with a little nose heaviness, just trip the vator up a touch =)

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2000, 12:01:00 PM »
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Offline Citabria

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2000, 09:37:00 PM »
I highly recomend this 6 50 mod along w the extra bomb racks and other fun field mods made to the lightnings be put in the perks system.


since the P-38L is the top of the game and the fastest best war lightning in service I think it would be a good service to us lightning junkies to perk these nifty but semi-rare field mod conversions.

I think the droop snoot lightning should be a standard issue plane though but adding the the nonstandard equipment as perks would be excellent and fun for all  

p.s. just my opinion. others will differ  
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2000, 10:43:00 PM »
I think the topic of those unofficial field mods was previously covered. Once you give the option for one plane, you have to give it to the rest. So what you end up with? Well Spits with 4 Hispanos and hell knows what other tweaks, BF109s with wing mounted cannons (Galland's 109 comes into my head right away - I think it was either F4 or F2). Hmm P-51s with Hispanos? Not sure about that one, but there might have been somehting like this. I bet there are some other planes with rather interesting additions.
IMO, it's better to leave it off as it is. No tweaks, no mods, just plain out of the factory planes.

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2000, 11:07:00 PM »
Well, most planes already have the option of MG's or cannons or different loadouts..and those sure as heck did not come "from the factory"..they were installed in the field.

I remember some websites stating that most of the P-38's that flew out of Henderson Field had been modified to 6 .50's due to the Zeke's vulnerability to API rounds AND because they had to strafe a lot of small freighters and troop ships. I can't find the damn link!!! ARGH.

From: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p38_15.html

"P-38L-1-LO Ser No 44-23601 was fitted with three 0.60-inch machine guns in a postwar experiment. However, tests at Elgin AFB in 1946 were not successful. The guns themselves betrayed structural deficiencies, and the shell links failed whenever the aircraft underwent either positive or negative acceleration.

P-38L-1-LO Serial No 44-24649 was modified as a specialized ground strafing version with eight 0.50-inch guns in the nose and two underwing pods each carrying two more 0.50-in machine guns

P-38L-5-LO Ser No 44-25605 was rebuilt by Hindustan Aircraft in India as a special VIP aircraft for a General Stratemeyer. The plane had a transparent nose, which made it look a lot like the "Droop Snoot" pathfinder Lightnings used in the European theatre. The General sat in a special seat inside the nose, and the inside walls of his "office" were lined with leather. There were even provisions for a built-in Thermos jug (I won't even ask what was IN the jug :-)). Sort of reminds me of General Dreedle in the movie *Catch 22*. Nowadays, if *Sixty Minutes* were to get wind of such an extravagance on the part of the military, heads would roll."

From: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/christophe.arribat/stofp38.html
The P-38 Droop Snoot (based on the P-38H/J/L airframe) had a plexiglas bubble bombardier nose, containing a Norden bombsight and its operator; the plane was used to lead fighter-bombers in level-bombing missions, and had no guns. Up to 100 such planes were built.  

Also, the P-38M would be nice http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p38_16.html

"This modification was successful, and provided the USAAF with a night fighter having a top speed of 406 mph at 15,000 feet as compared to only 369 mph at 20,000 feet for the Northrop P-61A Black Widow. Consequently, the Army issued a contract change calling for the Lockheed Modification Center in Dallas to convert 80 additional P-38L-5-LOs into P-38M twin-seat night fighters (some sources give 75, but 80 serials are identified). They were painted glossy black overall. These were just entering service when the war ended. The P-38M saw operational service in the Pacific in the last few days of the war. It was an effective night fighter with very little performance penalty over the standard single-seat Lightning"



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