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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2009, 01:16:40 PM »
Selective memory there Cap:)   My selective memory has it like this:  

38 and a 190 had dove on a 262 and were catching him, F4U came in to clear the 262's six.  F4U started chasing the 38, 38 went up and started gaining angles on the F4U, 262 came back and turned the 38 and the F4U managed few pings on him before the 190 got on the F4U's six. F4U turned that into a rolling scissors and was trying to finish off the 190 when a 110 came in and picked him.  Then I think a spit  showed up to make it 4-1 and the 262 left.  Or something like that.

The 262 was doing its best to help out, had a couple of flaps down, but as has been pointed out, the 262 takes time to turn around, so it isn't the best in an engagement like that, regardless of its perk cost.  (I use them primarily to lawn dart into the ground myself.)

That fight was a lot of fun, I was the corsair.  I was very impressed with your E management  Still not sure how you managed to stay so fast.  <<S>>


you were the corsair? did i tag ya at all? i thought i did at one point, but was having trouble.

 we didn't dive on the 262. he started off with alt. we slowly managed to get to co-alt position, but he stayed pretty far out till you came in. once you were there, it was 4 of us tangling. it was fun too. even trying to gain position on the 262, was fun, because it was a challange.

 as for turning with you....i thought you were about to hand my bellybutton back to me. i felt like i was losing, till someone popped ya. i do however, appreciate the compliments on my flying. once you were down, another pair came in, and one of them from what i was told, is completely new, and i think he was dispatched pretty quickly.

 i have fun with fights like that, as i know you and the 262 were working together, as was i and drkhorse.

 if i can keep finding fights like we had with you, i'll be spending more time in lw sir.

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i almost forgot......you ALMOST snuck up on me. i was so intent on that 262 at onbe point, i stopped looking around. i just happened to look back and up, and was "O CRAP!"   :rofl :aok
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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2009, 01:28:14 PM »
Use space bar if u not gonna post a picture.

Model type        ENY -116     ENY - 117   Delta
A-20G                 25             15          -10
Bf 109G-14          20             25            5
Bf 110C-4b          35             40            5
Brewster B-239    25             30            5



Wondered who's OCD would get that chart fixed.  :D

Btw nice job on the fuel chart for Special events.  :salute
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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2009, 01:38:41 PM »
you were the corsair? did i tag ya at all? i thought i did at one point, but was having trouble.

 we didn't dive on the 262. he started off with alt. we slowly managed to get to co-alt position, but he stayed pretty far out till you came in. once you were there, it was 4 of us tangling. it was fun too. even trying to gain position on the 262, was fun, because it was a challange.

 as for turning with you....i thought you were about to hand my bellybutton back to me. i felt like i was losing, till someone popped ya. i do however, appreciate the compliments on my flying. once you were down, another pair came in, and one of them from what i was told, is completely new, and i think he was dispatched pretty quickly.

 i have fun with fights like that, as i know you and the 262 were working together, as was i and drkhorse.

 if i can keep finding fights like we had with you, i'll be spending more time in lw sir.

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i almost forgot......you ALMOST snuck up on me. i was so intent on that 262 at onbe point, i stopped looking around. i just happened to look back and up, and was "O CRAP!"   :rofl :aok

You came real close the one time you fired on me.  That's how I was pretty sure I was losing:(  Sometimes you can get lucky and find fights like that in LW, but then sometimes you do and then get uninvited guests.  Fun enough though.  Till next time <S>
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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2009, 01:52:19 PM »
It seems to me that the most common "Bomb Trucks" had their ENY lowered.  A-20, P-51, F4U-1D, and Typhoon.

Trying to discourage bomb and bail a bit?


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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2009, 02:00:58 PM »
Every one has their own choice of plane to fly whether it be high ENy or low eny it makes no diff here 51D is my baby an will always be used in my book aswell with  the niki and LA  :salute :salute just figured i would give me thought on this thread
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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2009, 02:01:54 PM »
Btw nice job on the fuel chart for Special events.  :salute

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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2009, 02:12:45 PM »
i am sure that works for you but if the option was only available on the 1945 plane and it is available on the FM in game than the FM represents the 1945 version ...

it's pretty simple, really ...

no offense

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Its a permanent option on the 1945 model and therefore has the rocket stubs. Without the rocket stubs the D pony was available in 1944 and I believe even earlier as a four gun D (which is why that is also an option).
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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2009, 02:19:34 PM »
Use space bar if u not gonna post a picture.

Model type        ENY -116     ENY - 117   Delta
A-20G                 25             15          -10
Bf 109G-14          20             25            5

I wonder if this table thing works?
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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2009, 03:10:38 PM »
umm i believe there were several other things done to the d besides gun configuration and ordinance options

the 25, 10, 5, 1 blocks do not even share the same airframe/profile ...

do the airframes change with the load-outs?

that would be pretty weird ...

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Its a permanent option on the 1945 model and therefore has the rocket stubs. Without the rocket stubs the D pony was available in 1944 and I believe even earlier as a four gun D (which is why that is also an option).


 

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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2009, 03:34:57 PM »
The forum tables feature is basically the same as HTML tables.

Model typeENY116ENY117Delta
A-20G2515-10
Bf 109G-1420255
Bf 110C-4b35405
Brewster B-23925305
C.20520255
F4F-4203515
F4U-1D1510-5
FM220255
Fw 190A-83125-6
Fw 190F-820255
Hurricane Mk IIC10122
I-1630355
Il-22520-5
Ki-6125305
Ki-84-Ia15205
La-5FN20255
La-7583
LVTA44035-5
M-84035-5
Mosquito Mk VI25305
N1K2583
P-38L2015-5
P-39D30355
P-39Q203010
P-40E30355
P-47-D1125305
P-47-D2522253
P-47N5105
P-51D85-3
Spitfire Mk V25305
Ta 152H5105
Typhoon IB108-2
Wirbelwind2515-10
Yak-9T25305
Yak-9U20233
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Re: An Unemotional Discussion of ENY Changes
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2009, 04:18:13 PM »
The forum tables feature is basically the same as HTML tables.
<S> to AKDogg for the spacebar version,

but, openning Wedge1126's post to blew my mind.  I see the table instructions.  WIll this type of thing work on all boards? 

I need to play with this.

Back to the OP concept, I am loooking forward to seeing a tour's worth of plane stats to see if ENY changes as small as 2 or 3 really affect the behavior of stubborn AH2 players.

On the relationship of ENY and historical availability, there is none.  If there was, that would mean that the more available the plane, the higher the ENY?  So that it would always be available?  Then planes like the P-51 would be in the same neighborhood as the I-16.  Like other historical factors that are left out (for the sake of fun) like reliability and instrument flying, the disconnect between historical numbers and ENY is appropriate.
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