109G-6 with or without MW 50

[Hristo]

Can someone please give us numbers on 109G-6 with and without MW 50 ?

HP, speed, climb etc ?

Also, date of introduction of MW50, number of planes to recieve it, how much is it in percentage to the whole number of G-6s produced ?

[R4M]

sorry dont have the info here, but I rememer reading that it was something like 420mph in altitude and 355mph on the deck.

the Hp would be more or less 1800hp with MW50

As for the % of G6s with MW50, almost all of the G6s built i 1944 had it from factory and many of them had it retrofitted on the field. I would say that a vast majory of the G6s had MW50.

[Hristo]

Hehe, maybe AH G-6 should be retrofitted too  .

Anyway, still looking for more info on this. Does anyone know when they started to put it on 109s ? Was it G-6 or an earlier version ? what date ?

[Jekyll]

AFAIK it was the G6 which introduced MW-50.  As for the date of introduction, well I'm not absolutely sure, however Heinz Knoke in "I Flew for the Fuhrer" mentions that his squadron's factory-fresh planes were equipped with MW-50 injection in March 1944.

Not sure if Knoke's squadron was the first to be equipped with the G-6 though.

[StSanta]

How about it? Retrofit G6's?

Would be prudent if the razorback gets paddle props  

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[Vermillion]

Actually I agree.

With MW50, the 109G6 would make a more logical progression thru the different makes. As it stands right now, (no MW50) its more of an anomaly.

*side note*: See guys, I'm not anti-Luftwaffe  

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[Hristo]

Thanks Verm. But this thread is not just "I want MW 50 for my G-6".

I really want to know when, where and how many were fitted with it.

Also, did Hartmann's Me 109G-6 (same as in AH) have MW 50 in real life ?

[Zigrat]

yes the g6 we have in the game had mw50 irl

i agree with, verm, then we have

1942: 109 g2 1475 hp

early 44: 109 g6 1800 hp

late 1944: 109 g10 2000 hp

which would help with scenarios. because for d day invasion and the spring leading up to it, there was no g10, but there was g6 mw50, tho it didnt get as much power as g10.


really our g10 performs too well tho. IRL g10 was just a g6 with mw50 standard on all models plus other minor changes. the 109 k4 flies much more like the g10 we now have.

[Hristo]

G-10/K-4 thing brings us to more other problems. Apparently, DB 605D had much less output than DB 605ASCM. I don't know it right now, but it varied from some 1800 hp to 2050 hp. And I don't think we have 2050 hp DB 605ASCM in our G-10  .

While our G-10 does 452 mph up there, its deck speed is lower than K-4. I believe K-4 did some 378 mph on the deck. Our G-10 does, what, 365 mph ?

No, our G-10 is not like K-4, saying that is demagogic.

[Buzzbait]

S!

While it is a good idea to add a 109G6 with MW-50, replacing the existing G6 with it is not.  Throughout `43 the majority of the G6`s did not have MW-50.

There should be a new G-6 model.  The question is, whether it should be the model with the DB605AM or the DB605ASM.  The difference is the addition of a larger supercharger on the ASM.  This is the model which delivered 1800 hp.  It may be more accurate to provide the AM model since it was in operation by late `43.  The ASM was very close to the G-10 introduction date.

[Zigrat]

smice the g6 paintscheme we have with galland hood historically also had mw50, it would be better to add mw50 to teh one we have now, and then add a g6 with traditional canopy and without mw50 for 1943 type stuff imo.

[GRUNHERZ]

Zigrat the G10 is not a G6 with MW50, the G6 has a DB605A while the G10 has the much more powerful DB605D.

This engine is very different than the 605A, more powerful allaround and much better at high alts. Plus many of the 605D had 100 octane gas and MW50 called the DB605DCM this was one hell of an engine. I dont know what our G10 has, but its pretty fast.   Anyway the speed of a G10 without MW50 is 428mph, with it it should go up there with the K4 ah around 450mph.

I think the current Harmann G6 we have was a DB605AM with MW50 and it should gat its MW50 added.

Then we could introduce an earlier 109G6 without MW50 and with the standard framed canopy but with the Galland Panzer glass head armor, as these were very common on early G6 with the old canopy.

[juzz]

Isn't Hartmanns plane as depicted in AH actually a G-14? If it is, simply:

1. Use the existing 3d model for a new Me 109G-14 FM, with the DB 605AM(1800HP).

2. Use the existing FM with a new Me 109G-6 3d model, with the old style hood and rudder.

3. Add Spitfire LF.IX with "Basta".