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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2009, 11:01:10 AM »
Yeah, but how many are actually going to look like Dennise Richards and Dina Meyer?

Hehe, and no one worries about the physical attractiveness of the men in the military... Ladies have to have standards too, ya know. ;)
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2009, 11:31:59 AM »
Oh this is just wonderful. No escaping from the pms  :x

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2009, 12:32:22 PM »
Yeah, but how many are actually going to look like Dennise Richards and Dina Meyer?

According to Navy recruiters - all of em!   :aok

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2009, 03:38:15 PM »
Hell what about the fact that bubbleheads have a code of get along or find something else to do? 
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 06:27:21 PM »
Hell what about the fact that bubbleheads have a code of get along or find something else to do? 

Always figured that the pigboaters needed someone to wipe up that spilled torpedo juice!! :banana:

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2009, 08:01:21 PM »
i got a feeling they wont look anywhere NEAR that hot.
the majority of female sailors i've seen in the navy look eather to ugl...err i mean non-hotty OR they look to damn mean to try and piss off.
Now some of the aviator ladies in the AF is a different matter, i supose the navel aviatrix's have a few that are easy on the eyes

Many of them will return from the cruise pregnant no matter what they look like.
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2009, 09:53:22 PM »
I'm currently 24 years Navy and still active duty, 16 enlisted, 8 Officer, 15 years and 10 days of it at sea; all on subs except for 3 years on a CVN. If my math is right I've spent 12 years underwater. I agree with what the CNO is trying to do as long as the deal includes two things.

1) No seperate berthing or shower facilities. A submarine does not have warehouse style berthing like a surface ship does. Berthing on a boat is partitioned into small areas. If females get their own (female only) berthing area they must have the exact amount of woman on that crew's roster during underways to occupy every rack. Ensuring that exactly the amount of women = the "9 man" accomodations is extremely difficult if not impossible.This includes hot racking; a necessary measure on fast attack submarines. On a 688 class the smallest enlisted berthing is called "9 man". Imagine the frustration in the crew and angst for the COB (Chief of the Boat) if only one female was occupying "9 - man", and 8 racks went empty on a 6 month deployment because females were mandated a segregated area. Heads are not like surface ships either. The showers are 2 ft X 2 ft and the door is a telephone booth style folding hinged partition. The shower door exits into a common and public area. Take one head away because of gender segregation and you've just removed 50% of the showers and toilets from the crew. The Aussies have women on their boats right now. No special accomodations whatsoever.

2) All hands efforts are exactly that .......all hands. No reason why a woman shouldn't participate in stores loads. Just like the guys...the newbie gets the escape trunk. All food is loaded by hand through the narrow circular hatches. The two story escape trunk is the worst spot. Try passing concrete bags down a ladder for a couple hours and you get the idea. If you eat it you have to load it, Lieutenants and below.

Some of you might snicker or make a clever comments; but I'm actually sincere. I have witnessed the females at sea on one CVN. There are smart ones as well as idiots(no different than men). There are strong ones and physically weak ones (again no difference from male counterparts). Some, ....actually most, are highly dedicated. As a fraction I would say dedicated more so than the men.

One sore subject is the fact that all US boats are nuclear powered. If a woman was to get pregnant she would have to be flown off the boat immediately. That's right Captain Shark of Steel, you must come off mission and surface in a safe area to transfer her off. The gestation period of the fetus is at risk if exposed to ionizing radiation. Oh, by the way Captain I just missed my missile launch envelope, she was in three section watch rotation, so two of your guys are now port and stbd watches for the duration of the deployment. Her replacement is in the training pipeline and should report for duty in 3-4 months. This is an aspect that surface ships can and do easily handle. I think (easy now politically correct citizens) that female submariner contraception should be mandatory for the sake of the mission and crew.

I served up to E-7 wearing silver dolphins, and am an O-3 wearing gold dolphins now, I say give 'em a chance.

Of course, I'm not the CNO, so I don't get a vote.

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2009, 10:06:35 PM »
I'm currently 24 years Navy and still active duty, 16 enlisted, 8 Officer, 15 years and 10 days of it at sea; all on subs except for 3 years on a CVN. If my math is right I've spent 12 years underwater. I agree with what the CNO is trying to do as long as the deal includes two things.

1) No seperate berthing or shower facilities. A submarine does not have warehouse style berthing like a surface ship does. Berthing on a boat is partitioned into small areas. If females get their own (female only) berthing area they must have the exact amount of woman on that crew's roster during underways to occupy every rack. Ensuring that exactly the amount of women = the "9 man" accomodations is extremely difficult if not impossible.This includes hot racking; a necessary measure on fast attack submarines. On a 688 class the smallest enlisted berthing is called "9 man". Imagine the frustration in the crew and angst for the COB (Chief of the Boat) if only one female was occupying "9 - man", and 8 racks went empty on a 6 month deployment because females were mandated a segregated area. Heads are not like surface ships either. The showers are 2 ft X 2 ft and the door is a telephone booth style folding hinged partition. The shower door exits into a common and public area. Take one head away because of gender segregation and you've just removed 50% of the showers and toilets from the crew. The Aussies have women on their boats right now. No special accomodations whatsoever.

2) All hands efforts are exactly that .......all hands. No reason why a woman shouldn't participate in stores loads. Just like the guys...the newbie gets the escape trunk. All food is loaded by hand through the narrow circular hatches. The two story escape trunk is the worst spot. Try passing concrete bags down a ladder for a couple hours and you get the idea. If you eat it you have to load it, Lieutenants and below.

Some of you might snicker or make a clever comments; but I'm actually sincere. I have witnessed the females at sea on one CVN. There are smart ones as well as idiots(no different than men). There are strong ones and physically weak ones (again no difference from male counterparts). Some, ....actually most, are highly dedicated. As a fraction I would say dedicated more so than the men.

One sore subject is the fact that all US boats are nuclear powered. If a woman was to get pregnant she would have to be flown off the boat immediately. That's right Captain Shark of Steel, you must come off mission and surface in a safe area to transfer her off. The gestation period of the fetus is at risk if exposed to ionizing radiation. Oh, by the way Captain I just missed my missile launch envelope, she was in three section watch rotation, so two of your guys are now port and stbd watches for the duration of the deployment. Her replacement is in the training pipeline and should report for duty in 3-4 months. This is an aspect that surface ships can and do easily handle. I think (easy now politically correct citizens) that female submariner contraception should be mandatory for the sake of the mission and crew.

I served up to E-7 wearing silver dolphins, and am an O-3 wearing gold dolphins now, I say give 'em a chance.

Of course, I'm not the CNO, so I don't get a vote.

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2009, 11:57:56 PM »

Sorry, too long for me to read this late. I'll go throught it tomarow  :aok.

That's because 95% of your posts exists to merely increase the number of posts you have.

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2009, 12:27:04 AM »
Germany already has Female submariners.  :banana:
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2009, 12:29:18 AM »
makes me glad i joined the marines and not the navy, had my own bunk and the shower was big and i never had to "load" the food, just went to the mess hall.

oh yeah, and beer after work.  :)

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2009, 07:23:25 AM »
I am pretty sure the SSBNs and SSGN will be first to get this tested....SSN may be later down the road.

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2009, 10:06:44 AM »
I am pretty sure the SSBNs and SSGN will be first to get this tested....SSN may be later down the road.

I am an E7 on a SSN now.

Good luck to you both.  This won't be a painless transition.
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2009, 02:21:33 PM »
Most likely correct Killnu, the impact to the crew and boat facilities would be less if the idea tanks.

What boat are you on?

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2009, 03:00:18 PM »
On a cramped fast boat, there is no place to go, to get away. If you have any type of problems with other personnel you have to deal with it, promptly and efficiently.  Women are not good at this, never have been.  They hold grudges and are unforgiving.

As far as I know German submarines do not go on regular long term deployments away from home port, such as US submarines do.

I do believe it is a mistake, but other will have to live with it. 

Upon re-assessing the situation, with the US submarine force not really having a undersea enemy as in the Cold War, maybe this can work.  Deployments are not as frequent, important, or stressful.  Submarine underways are more of a policing action and exploration, than gearing for war and ocean conflict.  In fact, based on the experience I have had dealing with US submariners the last 15 years, maybe having girls on submarines is exactly what the US submarine force needs.  Good luck with it!

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