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Offline *PAPA*

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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #90 on: October 28, 2009, 03:15:51 PM »
I was in an LA-7 last night, got in bad situation and couldn't outrun the M. Now that is fast in my book.
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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #91 on: October 28, 2009, 03:28:37 PM »
Well I did my own testing with 1/4 fuel and the light 8 gun load. WEP climb from standing stop to 10,000'.

P-47M-2.49 seconds.  ...
Good stuff.  Though, being slow on the uptake, I was confused by the 2 point 49 seconds!  After scratching myself for a while, I realized it was 2 minutes 49 seconds.

Correct me if I am wrong, but low climb time means faster acceleration in level flight.  Both are about replacing energy, be it potential or kinetic.

To beat a -47M, it takes a high top speed, high acceleration and hitting power.  It is hard to find all three.  I have been trying the Yak which is a bit light on hitting power.  La-7 might be the best in the non perk plane stable, but PAPA's post contradicts that. 
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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2009, 04:50:00 PM »
Maybe you meant to say the better climbers are also better at accelerating? Others can probably answer that better then I but I know of the planes I listed the Spit-16, LA-7, and 109K4s, are very good accelerators too. But there is so much more to that, E retention and all.

Still all things being equal the P-47M is probably better then average in climb and acceleration. The higher you get the better "it" gets. Until you get to an altitude where the jug is without peer.

Im not a big Jug driver but I know with the "M" available I'll be spending more time learning to fight them. With no ords available for it I'll bet a lot of guys improve their Jug skills now.


Good stuff.  Though, being slow on the uptake, I was confused by the 2 point 49 seconds!  After scratching myself for a while, I realized it was 2 minutes 49 seconds.

Correct me if I am wrong, but low climb time means faster acceleration in level flight.  Both are about replacing energy, be it potential or kinetic.

To beat a -47M, it takes a high top speed, high acceleration and hitting power.  It is hard to find all three.  I have been trying the Yak which is a bit light on hitting power.  La-7 might be the best in the non perk plane stable, but PAPA's post contradicts that. 
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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #93 on: October 28, 2009, 05:05:36 PM »
Tim, HTC doesn't always model things 100% the way they should. Sometimes they take a known flight model and tweak it as a gift to the players. Example1: the F4u1/F4u1A. Example2: The 190A8/190F8. They just recycled the power charts, despite this being inaccurate. On the other hand it gives us additional aircraft to play with.

As for the P-47M, there's some question whether they ever flew with 8 guns (weight savings being the idea behind it) and there's almost no chance they flew with more than 267 rounds per gun either, so currently there are too many loadout options (while missing some DT options, no less!).

It's funny to say "at 25%" it can do X or it can do Y. Because "at 25%" it doesn't even have 10 minutes of flight time. 25% internal fuel gives you about 9.5 minutes of gas. That counts taking off, climbing out, trying to find a fight. By the time you're 10mi from base you have to turn back to land again!

Might as well say "A spit can do this at 25% gas" -- it means nothing in AH because you won't find a spit on 25% fuel unless he's already RTB and has 5 minutes gas left.

While the 47M is faster than the Ds, I've been eating them up in anything from p51s to 109Fs, to C2s... It may be fast (more power to ya) but it's still a P-47 and it's no zeke, it's no spitfire, and folks that keep pretending it is in the MAs are going to keep dying to my guns.

And the folks racking up 7,8,9,10 kills per sortie are doing so in a way that is easily repeatable with P51Ds, P47D40s, P38s, 109Ks... It's no credit to the ride that you're landing kills, unless you are doing something that you couldn't do before. A pick is a pick, be in a tempest or a P-47M. Try mixing it up and you'll see what a lot of folks in the MA are seeing: dead P-47s.

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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #94 on: October 28, 2009, 06:30:06 PM »
My post was rather rhetoric. As you seem to be regarded as the "WW2-aircraft-know-it-all" in this board, I was curious to know if you are a man to admit you are wrong even in this minor issue. The answer seems to be "no".

Regards from a lowly parolee.

Why should I have responded to your ill mannered question? You could have phrased it without being rude. Seriously, you were looking for your childish "neener, neener" moment, nothing less. I never have an issue admitting being wrong. Apparently, unlike you, I don't have a need to be an intardnet wise-ass to build self-worth. You still have no concept of polite discussion.

The fact is that several Aces High aircraft have climb data where aux tanks were filled at take off. In addition to those you mentioned, there's the F6F-5, Tempest and Typhoon. Probably more. Happy now? Feeling better about yourself? It won't last...


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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #95 on: October 28, 2009, 07:42:27 PM »
Tim, HTC doesn't always model things 100% the way they should. Sometimes they take a known flight model and tweak it as a gift to the players. Example1: the F4u1/F4u1A. Example2:

What exactly is wrong with our 1A? We have a late-block F4U-1A with water injection (technically our F4U-1 should have WEP removed) and paddle prop.
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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #96 on: October 29, 2009, 04:56:45 AM »
Widewing,

Great information. How were you able to determine the turn radius? I'd like to do that for a number of aircraft.

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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #97 on: October 29, 2009, 06:47:12 AM »
How were you able to determine the turn radius? I'd like to do that for a number of aircraft.


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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #98 on: October 29, 2009, 11:23:14 AM »
You could have phrased it without being rude.
If I sounded rude, I apologize
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I you consider the above as not rude, can I use the same expression of you ?
The fact is that..Happy now? Feeling better about yourself? It won't last...
Is that your way of saying that you were wrong ?
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Re: Verdict on the P-47M?
« Reply #99 on: October 29, 2009, 11:32:05 AM »
Off topic, no need to continue this anyway
« Last Edit: October 29, 2009, 11:34:39 AM by Timofei »
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