190/P-38 1 ping engine gone HAS to be FIXED

[AKSWulfe]

You guys simply need to stop getting shot until the engine is 'fixed'...

I have a better kill/death in the 190A5 than I do in the P51B...
-SW

[Tac]

Didnt the P-38 have 2 radiators per engine (hey I want the 2nd one in my CNTRL-D list! hehe)?


They did say they were looking over the 38 and the 190 on next version. What they are looking over, dunno, would be nice to know... nice to know...nice to know *rocks back and forth on his straight jacket*

[minus]

Vermilion  have to disagre on the teze direct injetion is less reliable like carburator


 how many carburator have p 47 ? how the fule coming  to the carburators ?

what fuel system have tempest ?

or pony ? ar the  fuel pipes on pony armored with chobam armor ?  

[Baddawg]

Today I was in CT ,  in a P47 and got a real sweet burst of my guns on the rear fuselage and tail of a 190.  He lost his engine and had to ditch. He said he only got 1 ping and then  immediate engine failure ,while I saturated his tail section from approx 90 degrees off his  heading , so it was all fuselage and tail,with very visable hit sprites in that section.

 Not the first time I have shot the same area on a 190  to see it go dead stick from engine failure.    

[Vermillion]

What I'm telling you is that the armor is useless in regards to the discussion at hand, which was getting hit by .50's and 20mm Hispano (AP or semi-AP).  

It was not useless in regards to light MG's, HE ammo of the lighter 20mm variety, and shell splinters/fragments.

Minus, I'm not going to debate engine design. I'm just passing along a historical fact, which was that the BMW 801 was prone to engine fires because of its fuel injection. Believe me or not, its your choice.

[lazs1]

mrfish... exactly... the 109 and the 190 both are too tough 'comparitively'.... neither should be nearly as tough as a p47 or an f6 or a Corsair.   They are too tough.   It was common for LW pilots to bail if rounds hit the engine area because the injection would spray high pressure fuel on the hot engine or, in the case of the 190a models, the cowl ring would create a "bullet trap" (much like on early panzer tanks turrents) that would funnel rounds into the poorly placed circular oil cooler... the punctured oil cooler would then proceed to spray oil all over the hot engine.

Yeah... maybe the engine stops too easily but it should catch fire instead.   to me the fire would be worse so you guys are getting a good deal.  No way should a smaller, more closely packed (vitals wise) plane like a 109 or 190 be as tough as the larger American ones.
lazs

[Hangtime]

Hi Santa!!

Hope they fix your 190...  AFTER they fix the tissue paper tail on my pony. The pony's been porked longer than trhe 190.  

Frankly, us pony pilots have ALWAYS had a 'one ping engine'... which is much preferred over a one-ping tail.

Look at the bright side... you should have no problem squeezing me out in front in a scissors if you have no engine. Then you can shoot my tail off on the overshoot.. only one round required to pluck it clean off..

Bet I spin in before you glide in....

 

[GunnerCAF]

In reference to FW armor, I found this interesting after reading previous posts on the FW 190 one ping problem.  It can be found at:
 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2072/breed.html

It is called "The Best of the Breed"
by Col. "Kit" Carson

A clip from what Col. "Kit" Carson has to say about the FW 190...

 

For example, my principal aiming point was always the forward portion of an enemy ship; the engine, cockpit, wing root section. If you get any hits at all, even only a few, you're bound to put one or two slugs into the engine compartment. Having a couple of bullets riccochet off the engine block and tear up some ignition harness is not too bad at all, at least not fatal. But to have all those thin-walled oil cooling tubes ahead of the engine is bad news. Any hits or riccochets in the engine section are bound to puncture the oil tubes. Then the whole engine is immersed in oil spray, and sometimes it would flash over into a fire.

Gunner <CAF>

[Tozza]

stsanta

Gimme a break man,

The 1 ping engine/tail is the only way I'll ever down your ass.

I will,if necessary,spend a lifetime honing my fighting skills in the hope that one day Ill look over the side of my spit and see you spiralling downward in a beautifil orange fireball.I shall then proceed to strafe your still warm corpse.Once out of ammo I will fly over head throwing any loose change I have at you.Once out of fuel,I'll land gather you remains,feed them to a dog then shoot the dog.Then,just maybe,Ill find the inner peace I long for
I have to go now,the men in lab coats are here to take me to the happy castle.

Tozza

[hazed-]

gunnercaf you forgot to include this quote from that same source:


'On another occasion, I jumped one directly over the city of Paris and fired all my ammo, but he was only smoking heavily after a long chase over the town. Assuming I was getting 10 percent hits, that airplane must have had 200 holes in it. It was a rugged machine.'

 

[GunnerCAF]

Hazed,

I like the FW190, but have not sent any time with it in AH.  It just looks evil    I hope they fix any bugs in it when I start flying it so I don't have to come in here an complain   From what I have read, the FW190 should take some damage, but it looks like the real ones had a soft spot.

Gunner <CAF>

[AKcurly]

Originally posted by StSanta:
Man.

But the Golly-geened 190 1 ping from 6 o clock engine out thing is getting on my nerves real bad. Other planes have the same problem I hear.

An N1K, d900, spraying like mad. Lands one round. Radiator is ok. Oil is better than it has ever been. But the engine is kaputt, and will never fly again.

Santa, I understand you are frustrated.  In the aove, you say "Lands one round."  I'm curious ... how do you know it's one round?  How do you know wasn't 20 rounds, all 1 millisecond apart?

I hear guys complaining about "one ping" and my wing is gone/my engine is gone/my radiator is gone & so on.  Please tell me why you believe it's one round.

I am sure you have a better answer than "well, he was in a N1k/CHog/ and spraying around back there."

I'm not trying bait you, rather I am trying to understand.

AKcurly

[Saintaw]

Not saying it should't take damage, what botthers me is ... well, Read Baddawg's reply above : He shoots at the tail at a 90deg angle (thus there's no way the bullet will go through the soft skin & turn 90 degs to the engine)

Something's amiss in the hit localisation / damage alocation right now. I Hope that that'll be fixed,

thank you.

[milnko]

Originally posted by AKcurly:
I'm curious ... how do you know it's one round?  AKcurly

Curly has a good point...seems to me depending on your wave file it could SOUND like one ping or if ya have custom sounds as many do, like multiple pings when ya get hit.

My question would be how fast can the wave file play?

If one round hits, and the sound starts....does it have time to finish then restart for next round hit?

I've looked at the AH sound directory and seen multiple hit sound wave files, how many of these are for A/C hits?

How many can play at once?

[Pyro]

This was covered in another thread awhile back. There is a bug with FW's and 38's and perhaps some other planes that bypasses any damage like oil leaks and instead knocks the engine out right away. It will be fixed in 1.08.