Shouldn't the Ta152 turn better at low altitude?

[Nath-BDP]

It matches up pretty well with this chart. http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/bs/chrt2.jpg  http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/bs/chrt2INFO.jpg

[Buzzbait]

S!

The one thing that this plane does have is a mean set of guns.  The Mk 103 30mm is a one shot kill like the Mk108, but it differs from the lighter weapon by having a much higher velocity, longer barrel and much better accuracy.  Combined with the fact it fires through the prop, a pilot with some gunnery skills should be able to do some serious damage.  And of course it also has a pair of 20mm in the wing roots, which also don't require too much convergence.  This is probably the best Bomber killer out there.  Which is what it was designed for.  The Germans were expecting the B-29 to be deployed to Europe when they designed this.

Low alt. Turn and Burn is a wrong use of this aircraft.

Of course, with the way the MA works, anything which is not designed for T&B at 5k is operating at a tremendous disadvantage.

A late war scenario with flights of P-51D's trying to protect B-17's flying at the normal altitude of 22,000-25,000 ft from TA-152 interceptors, would see the Allies lose big time.

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by funked:
The wingloading is quite poor actually.  It should turn better than a Fw 190D-9 or Fw 190A or P-47 but that's about it.

Just because Reschke shot down a Tempest does NOT mean the planes were equal.  There is a large amount of engineering data which says otherwise.

Fishu, is this chart not correct?
   
Because in my (admittedly brief) test flights, the 152 is performing per the chart.

Looks like its pretty much that results what I got in my tests..
Comparing to all those sources what I've read and seen by others, Ta-152 lacks 15 to 22mph at high altitudes above 29.5k ft

[funked]

Here's a primary source, courtesy of Verm:
 http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-1.jpg

The shape of the curve is pretty similar, but the critical altitudes and some of the speeds are a little different, some higher, some lower.

I wonder what HTC's source is?

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 03-15-2001).]

[fats]

About that Ta 152 shooting down 2 tempests... the book uses terms like 'very good' and such to describe the Ta pilot, and the other Ta pilot who was with him spun out his plane trying to turn or something like that.

I think the story is just that: better pilot in worse plane beating a better plane with worse pilot.


// fats

[Voss]

You can't say that a bird should 'always' win just because you read of a situation where a pilot came out on top. Use the Ta-152 at altitude, guys, where it belongs.

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13th TAS

[Vermillion]

I have seen alot of Ta152 pilots make the big mistake of assuming its fast on the deck like a Dora.

They couldn't be more wrong, and then get trapped low and slow... and die.


An amusing Ta152 arena turnfight story:

A couple of days ago, I was trying to clear a La5fn from a fellow knits 152 on the deck in my La7 when I showed up with about a 5k E advantage. He was trying to out turn the La5FN, going round and round in slow tight circles, and because he didn't drag properly I had too much E coming in on the bounce and could not get a good guns solution on the La5FN. Finally on my third pass, after I had burned off some E, I got the La5Fn, but the Ta152 was already mortally crippled.

He then proceed to squeak at me because I didn't clear him fast enough, and then he squeaked about the FM being all screwed up. According to him the Ta152 should have been able to both out turn the La5fn, and it should have been able to outrun the La5fn on the deck as well.

So I asked him what he normally flew. It was real hard too guess   Spitfires.

Moral of the story: Know thy aircraft !!

Oh and learning how to drag properly with a barrel roll defense don't hurt any either  

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Pongo]

BuzzBait.
The AH TA152 has a mk108 as its engine mounted gun. As far as I know that is what it should have.

[Buzzbait]

S! Pongo

You are right.  My mistake.  It was the TA-152C which had the Mk103 gun.