Messed up by N1H1 vaccine?

[Viperius]

Wrong.

Oh look what I found

I caught and was clinically diagnosed with H1N1, but barely developed any symptoms.  I suspect that is probably due to being exposed to the virus while a fetus, to which my doctor also agrees.  

So your immune system worked that time without any vaccination, why shouldnt it now?

Look theres two sides to each coin, if you think it will help go for the shot, if you have concerns like me don't.

However if your government has to give the manufacturers legal immunity and Mister Obama's daughters don't get the vaccine my alarm bells start ringing.

[Fishu]

However if your government has to give the manufacturers legal immunity and Mister Obama's daughters don't get the vaccine my alarm bells start ringing.

The last I heard Sasha and Malia did get the vaccine already last week.

[CAP1]

The last I heard Sasha and Malia did get the vaccine already last week.

the big question is.....did they get the very same shots that "normal" people get/?

[MORAY37]

Oh look what I found
So your immune system worked that time without any vaccination, why shouldnt it now?

Look theres two sides to each coin, if you think it will help go for the shot, if you have concerns like me don't.

However if your government has to give the manufacturers legal immunity and Mister Obama's daughters don't get the vaccine my alarm bells start ringing.

Yes, I caught it.  Yes I fought it off, from prior exposure to the specific flu virus that this originated from.  This is exactly how a vaccine works, btw.  (FYI, I found out later that my mother was immunized during the 1974 outbreak while she was carrying me, in late 1974, so I also had conferred immunity through that vaccination) I would not have even gone to the doctor when I got sick this time, except it was required and payed for by my employer for anyone showing signs of flu.

Look at it this way...
Every time you get sick, no matter what the vector, you start to die.  At some point, your immune system either wins or it loses.  It spends time and energy looking for the answer to the puzzle of what is attacking you, while the live virus has free reign and replicates pretty much unchecked.  If it finds a way to successfully identify and counterattack a virus, you start getting better.  Otherwise, even a new common cold will kill you.  By getting a vaccination, you show your immune system the virus's plan of attack.

I did not get vaccinated once I got a chance to see the genetics and origins of H1N1 that is currently circulating.  Doing so would not have provided me with any more protection, as I've already been exposed.  I would highly recommend those that are in that age range just under mine, to be vaccinated, due to the fact they have not been exposed to this flu.  A flu which is a mutation of the 1916 bug, BTW.  Play with fire all you want.

Luckily H1N1 overpowers other flu viruses, and is not prone to any antigenic drift that will confer higher virulence from another flu it meets.  I know two virologists that are still privately scared of H5n1, "Bird Flu".  It has an incredible knack, unlike H1N1, for re assortment mutations.  One of them told me not two months ago, that "the table is set for H5n1.  It's really just a matter of time until it finds a communicable flu to make it airborne."  Both were also concerned, that if it happened during this current H1N1 outbreak, any H5N1 mutation could go unnoticed until it was past too late.

Also, both of the Obama children have been vaccinated.

[Stalwart]

Healthy immune system > any vaccination.

Really?  How about in the context of polio?

I'm beginning to categorize in my mind two different issues. 

• Developments and advancements in medicine including treatment and prevention of illness.
• Developments in medical policy, influenced by government, pharmaceutical companies, and insurance

In the first case, I am hopeful and eager to trust.
In the second case I have become quite cynical.

In the context of H1N1, my thinking is almost all in the second catagory.

[MORAY37]

Really?  How about in the context of polio?

I'm beginning to categorize in my mind two different issues.  

• Developments and advancements in medicine including treatment and prevention of illness.
• Developments in medical policy, influenced by government, pharmaceutical companies, and insurance

In the first case, I am hopeful and eager to trust.
In the second case I have become quite cynical.

In the context of H1N1, my thinking is almost all in the second catagory.

Funny.  Nobody can be right in your estimation.  I would imagine that if the government does nothing, then you'd be screaming bloody murder about it.  But, since the CDC is taking proactive steps to contain what has killed more people in the history of this species.....then it's all a SHAM-WOW.

Just an FYI.  There has been one LABORATORY CONFIRMED fatality of a child attributed to every other flu strain out there (United States).  

There have been 130 LABORATORY CONFIRMED pediatric fatalities by H1N1 in the U.S. in the same time period.  So, No, this isn't your usual flu, and people should stop looking at is as such.

Lab confirmation is only done sporadically due to how much effort and time it takes to rule out every possible causal agent of death, and true figures are a function of an unknown exponent.  Meaning that for each confirmed case, there are X numbers of cases that go unreported or mis-diagnosed.

Generally, this exponential function is usually a power of ten or higher.  What the CDC uses is dependent on their methods, but they start going bonkers at around 40 or so cases lab confirmed.  If you'll remember when this started in Mexico, a few hundred people had already died, and there were only 5 or 6 confirmed by lab.

[Stalwart]

Whatever, Moray.   You missed my point.

[batch]

Funny.  Nobody can be right in your estimation.  I would imagine that if the government does nothing, then you'd be screaming bloody murder about it.  But, since the CDC is taking proactive steps to contain what has killed more people in the history of this species.....then it's all a SHAM-WOW.

Just an FYI.  There has been one LABORATORY CONFIRMED fatality of a child attributed to every other flu strain out there (United States).  

There have been 130 LABORATORY CONFIRMED pediatric fatalities by H1N1 in the U.S. in the same time period.  So, No, this isn't your usual flu, and people should stop looking at is as such.

Lab confirmation is only done sporadically due to how much effort and time it takes to rule out every possible causal agent of death, and true figures are a function of an unknown exponent.  Meaning that for each confirmed case, there are X numbers of cases that go unreported or mis-diagnosed.

Generally, this exponential function is usually a power of ten or higher.  What the CDC uses is dependent on their methods, but they start going bonkers at around 40 or so cases lab confirmed.  If you'll remember when this started in Mexico, a few hundred people had already died, and there were only 5 or 6 confirmed by lab.

to try to compare H1N1 deaths among children to normal flu this year and say its more dangerous than normal flu is absolutely absurd......

do you know how many children died from the 'normal' flu last year and how many died from H1N1..... or the year before or the year before ......... the 2003-2004 flu season was especially hard on children.......... 152 child deaths (zero with H1N1)

every year there is a different strain that is more prevalent than the rest.......and different strains seem to effect specific groups of people differently..... this year it happens to be H1N1...... it hasnt been H1N1 for quite a few years

just like the 'bird' flu a few years ago....... its scary because its different.......... not because its worse.....

Edit: also where exactly are you getting your numbers from? the CDC (you know the people who are in charge of the numbers) reported earlier TODAY that there have been 114 child fatalities related to H1N1