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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2009, 10:32:49 AM »
I would like to use this opportunity to thank David Hasselhof for tearing down The Wall and bringing freedom to Eastern Germany!  :rock

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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2009, 10:41:33 AM »
The Wall was built in Germany because they lost the war.
Don't start wars if you cannot win them.
The Germans got of lightly and they know it.
I feel sorry for people killed in London,Liverpool and the rest of the countries bombed by Germany.

You should be ashamed of yourself "weight lifted of your shoulders, I cheered" appalling.

The Berlin wall coming down represented one thing which was no one wanted communism and you can start a war kill many millions all has been forgiven.

 

How shameful...   :furious

People stuck in a communist island (most of whom weren't part of the generation involved in the war by the time the wall came down) surrounded by the free world and wanting to be part of it..........

The atrocity of it..............

And to think.  This type of mind-set is how these things start.

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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2009, 10:55:42 AM »
Let's ignore the troll and stay focused on the anniversary.  I was in 6th grade when the wall came down and remember the event well.  It's a credit to the USA, UK, and France that they never evacuated West Berlin to leave it to the Soviets. However, not only the East Germans, but also the Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Poles, Romanians and many others also gained freedom in 1989 and 1990.
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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2009, 11:01:54 AM »
However, not only the East Germans, but also the Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Poles, Romanians and many others also gained freedom in 1989 and 1990.

. We should not forget to mention Hungary (for opening the borders) and Poland (with founding of Solidarność in 1980). These two country made alot possible.


It all started in Poland in 1980. The workers in Gdańsk and the Solidarność paved the way for what was happing all over eastern Europe in 1989  :salute
The "Round Tables" that were instrumental to the peacful transition appeared in Poland for the first time too.
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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2009, 11:10:36 AM »
I was just old enough in 1961 to realise that something horrible was happening in Berlin. In 1968, I watched the 'Prague Spring' turn prematurely to winter as Soviet tanks rumbled into the city to supress Dubcek's reforms. All through the 1970s and into the 1980s, the boot of the USSR ground into the faces of decent people who just wanted to have their say.
Then in 1989, the people DID have their say. Thanks largely to the concessions made by a Russian who cared more about those people than his predecessors, the repressive puppet regimes of Eastern Europe were exposed as exactly that. The dissidents of East Germany gathered in Leipzig and Honicke's call on Michael Gorbachev for Soviet assistance to deal with them was met with 'niet'. I watched in wonder as the Berlin Wall began to fall to pick-axes wielded by bold Berliners who'd had enough, and I cheered. With every lump of concrete that hit the ground I felt a load I never realised I carried lift from my shoulders. Now, twenty years on, I still regard that day as one of the happiest I've ever experienced.
Power to the people and here's to freedom - again, cheers!
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 i was serving in germany at the time, i felt great accomplishment in the fact that we did this, we stood that fence, we held our ground, we made this happen!
 it had nothing to do with, the old germany, it had everything to do with pushing the soviets out!

i also remember the german banks, the lines around the corners, for the east germans to get there free 100 marks that had been promised them if they made it to the other side, and some of the odd remarks about how they would destroy the economy of  west germany, it was a funny thing, the change that they all wanted, and yet some were still afraid!
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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2009, 12:10:48 PM »
I was just old enough in 1961 to realise that something horrible was happening in Berlin. In 1968, I watched the 'Prague Spring' turn prematurely to winter as Soviet tanks rumbled into the city to supress Dubcek's reforms. All through the 1970s and into the 1980s, the boot of the USSR ground into the faces of decent people who just wanted to have their say.

Then in 1989, the people DID have their say. Thanks largely to the concessions made by a Russian who cared more about those people than his predecessors, the repressive puppet regimes of Eastern Europe were exposed as exactly that. The dissidents of East Germany gathered in Leipzig and Honicke's call on Michael Gorbachev for Soviet assistance to deal with them was met with 'niet'. I watched in wonder as the Berlin Wall began to fall to pick-axes wielded by bold Berliners who'd had enough, and I cheered. With every lump of concrete that hit the ground I felt a load I never realised I carried lift from my shoulders. Now, twenty years on, I still regard that day as one of the happiest I've ever experienced.

Power to the people and here's to freedom - again, cheers!

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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2009, 12:14:46 PM »
Thanks to Ronald Reagan.
absolutely!  :salute
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2009, 12:19:44 PM »
My Brother had to deport a guy to Bulgaria about 10 years ago [hes an I.C.E. agent] and when he and his partner were there they ate free at all the restaurants they were at when they found out they were American. He said they all praised Reagan for ending the Cold War and freeing them.
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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2009, 04:10:22 PM »
My grandfather was in two camps Dachau and Buchenwald so no we were not pleased about the Berlin war coming down.

Arrongant one sided perceptions of world events is a shame for you and your friends.

I dont get you. Your saying you wanted all of Eastern Europe to suffer under communism because your Grandfather went to a few Z-camps during WW-ll ?

Your probably to young to even remember Soviet communism. Well I remember it like yesterday and was in Europe/NATO under arms in the '70s, "the scariest of cold war times", and when that wall came down I cheered until I couldnt cheer no more. I guess maybe you forget West Germany, as in "Germans", supplied the bulk of NATOs manpower needs. The NATO that defeated the Soviets was made up of many western European Democracies. I was in Bulgaria back in '78 for a brief stopover. Boy what a craphole thanks to the commies. Im talking cardboard shoes, breadlines, secret police. The whole nest.

Wow! Its been almost 20 years hasnt it since the wall fell? long enough for a generation of kiddies who know no better to grow up and talk goofy in a Internet forum.
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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2009, 04:15:37 PM »
The Wall was built in Germany because they lost the war.
Don't start wars if you cannot win them.
The Germans got of lightly and they know it.
I feel sorry for people killed in London,Liverpool and the rest of the countries bombed by Germany.

You should be ashamed of yourself "weight lifted of your shoulders, I cheered" appalling.

The Berlin wall coming down represented one thing which was no one wanted communism and you can start a war kill many millions all has been forgiven.
You Sir, are a bit of a fool!
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More thanks should go to Gorbachev who spent years and years making the fall come about.
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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2009, 04:32:58 PM »
Wow! Its been almost 20 years hasnt it since the wall fell? long enough for a generation of kiddies who know no better to grow up and talk goofy in a Internet forum.

I bet I could find someone from your generation who talks just as goofy... and you can be sure that bubi and enker understand the significance of the Wall.
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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2009, 04:33:39 PM »
Zack, there are so many things wrong with your reasoning one could write an essay. But, it's also clear there's no point arguing with you nor is there any point in listing your fallacies, historical errors, and selective omissions.

Suffice to say, I suggest you take a good look at your own attitudes and ask whether it's appropriate to apply your anger and hatred across a group of people as big as an entire country. Ask yourself: what has history taught us about such attitudes? As they say "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

If it's not obvious enough - that same attitude caused what your grandfather went through.

Anyways, I'm out of here. Once again, Simba - nice post. Zack - if you don't get my point, then you really are blind. No point in further discussion.

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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2009, 04:36:41 PM »
I think Zack needs to take a trip to the library.
You know that place that has all those.. Oh what the hell are they called again? You know. Those bundles of paper with writing all over them.

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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2009, 04:38:21 PM »
I still can't understand how people can continue to consider a race, or a nationality of people, all of it's demographics, generations and factions, as a single entity, meant to be treated and punished as such. :headscratch:

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Re: 20 years on in Berlin
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2009, 04:39:49 PM »
I still can't understand how people can continue to consider a race, or a nationality of people, all of it's demographics, generations and factions, as a single entity, meant to be treated and punished as such. :headscratch:

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