November 10, 1943 - Cairo

[Chalenge]

Before Americas entry into WWII the U.S. in June 1941 had already signed on with England in a super secret agreement to take Europe from Hitler first. The idea was to engage in a holding action in the Pacific designed to allow America to use her resources against one foe at a time. The USAAF at the time was not even allowed to consider strategic bombing an option because her representatives felt that even drawing up a plan might embolden her enemies. At Boeing the executives knew just the same that long range bombers and extremely long range bombers would be needed to fight the war that was coming. So it was that the B-29 was in the planning stages even before the B-17 but the B-29 was such a huge and demanding project that the head start was needed just to get the project underway. When the way was finally cleared to begin planning a strategic campaign (Roosevelt requested a plan for the defeating of Hitler) it was decided that not only would they need a four engine bomber but they would need a bomber that could fly extremely long range. The Army crunched the numbers and decided they would need a force of nearly 2,500,000 personnel in order to win the war and they would save the extremely long range bombers for battling Japan because the bombers would be needed in that theater of war and because it would take time to develop those bombers. They were planning on beginning the bombing of Japan in 1946.

[Yossarian]

Other planes are needed far more than the B-29 or the A-26.  There are gaping holes in the EW and MW plane set that need to be addressed first.


ack-ack

Those EW and MW planes will do nothing to address the conspicuous lack of perked bombers.  That is one of the game's main weaknesses in the plane set at the moment.

[5PointOh]

Other planes are needed far more than the B-29 or the A-26.  There are gaping holes in the EW and MW plane set that need to be addressed first.


ack-ack

Haven't our last couple planes been EW/MW? B-25, P-39, I-16, and the Brew?

[gyrene81]

It's not that I don't think it could be useful...but with the maps in cycle now, it's not useful. Why the AR234 is in when the HE111 and DO17z are missing is beyond me but...if you have that many bomber perks to use up, grab the AR234. Adding another long range high alt bomber to the existing set is akin to having 2 rectums...it's just more crap.

And in case you haven't noticed...there are a lot of "wishlist" threads about planes that are more important overall to the AH war than the B-29.

Those EW and MW planes will do nothing to address the conspicuous lack of perked bombers.  That is one of the game's main weaknesses in the plane set at the moment.

Oh really...so B-24J, B-17G and Lancaster all with massive bomb load capacities, high alt capability, and very long range... as well as the AR234 perk bomber...makes the plane set weak? The only weakness is the players who either don't know how or don't have the patience to use the to their advantages...and the B-29 isn't going to make that aspect any better.

[Yossarian]

It's not that I don't think it could be useful...but with the maps in cycle now, it's not useful. Why the AR234 is in when the HE111 and DO17z are missing is beyond me but...if you have that many bomber perks to use up, grab the AR234. Adding another long range high alt bomber to the existing set is akin to having 2 rectums...it's just more crap.

And in case you haven't noticed...there are a lot of "wishlist" threads about planes that are more important overall to the AH war than the B-29.


Oh really...so B-24J, B-17G and Lancaster all with massive bomb load capacities, high alt capability, and very long range... as well as the AR234 perk bomber...makes the plane set weak? The only weakness is the players who either don't know how or don't have the patience to use the to their advantages...and the B-29 isn't going to make that aspect any better.

Sorry, I forgot to mention part of my point

The Ar-234 actually isn't that useful - yes, it's very fast, but it has an extremely limited bomb load - it can only take three bombs, for a total of 1,500kg (or about 3300 lbs).  By contrast, the A-26 could take almost twice that bombload (6000 lbs), it had a huge number of nose mounted .50s (up to 16 of them!), and is still very fast at 355 mph (according to Wikipedia ).  This means that it would be capable of ground attack, high altitude level bombing, dive bombing, NOE runs etc etc.  This is a FAR greater capability and flexibility than either the Ar-234 or the B-29 (both of which are effectively limited to level bombing, unless you have a slightly suicidal pilot lol).

The fact that the A-26 would be SO flexible and so capable at all those roles means it would probably see high usage in the MAs, and thus fill the role for a much-needed USEFUL perked bomber.

[Nemisis]

It's not that I don't think it could be useful...but with the maps in cycle now, it's not useful. Why the AR234 is in when the HE111 and DO17z are missing is beyond me but...if you have that many bomber perks to use up, grab the AR234. Adding another long range high alt bomber to the existing set is akin to having 2 rectums...it's just more crap.

And in case you haven't noticed...there are a lot of "wishlist" threads about planes that are more important overall to the AH war than the B-29.


Oh really...so B-24J, B-17G and Lancaster all with massive bomb load capacities, high alt capability, and very long range... as well as the AR234 perk bomber...makes the plane set weak? The only weakness is the players who either don't know how or don't have the patience to use the to their advantages...and the B-29 isn't going to make that aspect any better.

He means that the slight lacking of EW/MW planes is the sets only real weak spot.

[Simba]

I demand the most numerous USAAF bomber at Pearl Harbor, the Douglas B-18 Bolo.

 

[Ghosth]

Actually I liked Pyro's idea for the B29 & nuke question.

While drinking a beer one night at con he talked about adding the B29 & the nuke. With a very very high perk price for the nuke. Like 1 million perks.

He was chuckling when he got to this part. So imagine some dweeb spending 5 years doing nothing but bomber runs to run up enough perks. Hours and hours and tours and tours of milk runs.  Finally he gets enough, rolls, approaches his target, drops and the nuke goes "______"

The idea's were flying fast and furious. Some were pretty interesting.

"Crew chief not expecting this mission, Safety devices not removed from device"
"Pilot  failed to initiate correct drop procedures, fail safe's not disengaged"
"Nuclear bomb 1 mil perks, plutonium extra"
"Host connection lost, server meltdown"

So yes I expect to see b29 someday soon, yes I expect there to be a nuke in the hanger.
No I won't ever waste the time trying to get enough perks to see if it really goes Kabloooeeee or only "pop"

[Nemisis]

Stay on topic. We need the B-29 with the new, and coming changes, no doubt about that.

[Yossarian]

Stay on topic. We need the B-29 with the new, and coming changes, no doubt about that.

This is on-topic, and the answer to that is basically no (for now).

[Nemisis]

I meant simba.

[Chalenge]

I do not want an atom bomb in AH.

[Ack-Ack]

Those EW and MW planes will do nothing to address the conspicuous lack of perked bombers.  That is one of the game's main weaknesses in the plane set at the moment.

A lack of a perked bomber is hardly the game's main weakness.  however, lack of planes to plug the gap in the EW and MW plane sets are one of the main weakness of the current plane sets and one of the main reasons why arenas like EW, MW and AvA are under populated.  


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

He means that the slight lacking of EW/MW planes is the sets only real weak spot.

slight lacking?  Look at the plane sets in the EW arena, only a couple of those planes truly fall in the EW era.  Then you have countries that have glaring holes in their plane sets and some not even represented.  Those need to be addressed before we get planes like the B-29 or the A-26, which the only thing they actually bring to the table is that they'll be 'perk bombers'.


ack-ack

[Nemisis]

About all they will be good for is the tools who hang out in EW/MW arena, and scenarios. Past that, most of them will be outclassed by LW rides. I know some MW/EW planes have earned a place for themselves in the LW arena, but still you don't see hoards of Huricane MkIIC's around.