JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting

[Wmaker]

It sure looks like they wouldn't fit though...

I disagree. It doesn't look at all like there's enough room in the gunpod for a whole magazine, especially when you see how much of the gunpod the gun seems to actually take up

[gyrene81]

This picture pretty much shows it. The pod/the feed chute actually house two 6-round magazines, one after the other. Now that I think about it, I remember reading about this from somewhere. At first they only used 6 rpg and later started using 12 rpg. It sure looks like they wouldn't fit though...

He was talking about that statement Wmaker...it really doesn't look like 2 full 6 round clips could go into that mag end to end, had to be a staggered or stacked set if 2 clips of 6 were used.


Keep in mind also Motherland your pic and the first pics posted on page 1 could be G-1's which did have a single 6 round mag.

[Wmaker]

What does Patronenrahmen mean? The manual on the site says 'Patronenrahmen zu je 6 schuss (Huelsen fallen ins Freie)
I only got gibberish out of the translator... 'patron frame'....

Patrone loosely means ammunition..ie. a round, shell and so on...

[10thmd]

bravoa8  some of us don't fly anything but German Iron so the IL2 is not an option for tank busting.

[Motherland]

I did miss the last part of your post WMaker, sorry.

[Wmaker]

I did miss the last part of your post WMaker, sorry.

I'm sorry...I'm a bit grumpy...5 am and I have this damn over 65 year old aircraft cannon keeping me awake...

Uploaded the manual pic:

[Masherbrum]

What does Patronenrahmen mean?  Patronenrahmen zu je 6 schuss

If I'm not mistaken, it means:  Cartridge.    


Patronenrahmen zu je 6 schuss: "Cartridge framework to 6 shot"?  

Lusche or another Fluent German would know 100%.   My German is slipping and I need to refresh it after 19 years.

[Wmaker]

If I'm not mistaken, it means:  Cartridge.    

Yep, that's correct, a word taken to Finnish language and its meaning kinda put me off track...

[Wmaker]

Just read that manual about 37mm loadout for 110G-2. In there it said 66 patronen in 11 patronenrahmen (which the radio operator/reargunner could load), so I guess in this context atleast patronenrahmen means the magazine itself. So, it looks like as the rounds get expended and empty casings exit from the upper aperture, the empty magazine (patronenrahme) travels to the space reserved to it in the left side of the gun. Those spaces holding the empty and full magazines probably just were longer in the G-2 compared to the G-1 I guess.

[Megalodon]

For me, this 1st photo posted bye Lusche says it all

the size of the clip in his hand clearly dose not reach to the gun housing when fully inserted, a few inches short,  equal to the 1st small vertical line you can see on the cartridge. If I draw line from there to the center line of the gun I get 6 more shells. Not to mention the word Clip's in the photo caption.

and this one sum's it up for me at least  

as he pushes the second clip into the cartradge to fully load the gun.  

[stephen]

Bring the Ju-87 37mm tank buster to the game!

[Krusty]

<sigh>

No, they couldn't repack 60-round drum to contain 90 rounds. There were different sized drums that could hold different amounts of ammo...

From my understanding of it, the drum changed shape slightly (straight walls, not angled) but the diameter was the same. It had to fit into the same compartments. Perhaps poor description on my part.

EDIT: not that I want to hijack the thread or anything, seems the issue has been answered!

[Madguns]

Sooo anyone from HTC care to chime in here?  Will this ever be considered?

[gyrene81]

the size of the clip in his hand clearly dose not reach to the gun housing when fully inserted, a few inches short,  equal to the 1st small vertical line you can see on the cartridge. If I draw line from there to the center line of the gun I get 6 more shells. Not to mention the word Clip's in the photo caption.

The caption also says magazines of which there is clearly only 1. Your misinterpretation of the caption is obvious...2 gun(s), 2 magazine(s), 2 clip(s) of ammunition per plane...at least for whatever model of Stuka that is in the pic.



Your perspective is a bit off but not by far...if you look at the length of the mag in comparison to the shells in the clip the guy is holding you can see that when all 6 rounds are inserted, if one round is chambered in the gun, there is room for one more round...so a max of 7 per gun (6 in the mag and 1 in the pipe)...at least for a Ju-87G-1 by all accounts.

If the 7 round clip of AP being loaded in this photo is any indication...then as stated above would be true for a G-1 at least...6 in the mag 1 in the pipe.

as he pushes the second clip into the cartradge to fully load the gun.  

Again, perspective...the breach of the weapon is the width of 1 round inside the gondola housing not 6 or 7...using the top photo, measure the length of the ammo clip and then measure the length of the extruded portion of the magazine...then look very closely at the front of that gondola housing where the barrel of the weapon sticks out...if you look at the diagram of the weapon without the gondola housing you will see where the breach housing is very large compared to the barrel...and in all of the photos none of the gondola housings are wide enough to hold a 6 round clip of ammo internally.

[Pongo]

It looks like the clip is not a disintegrating link kind of rig, but something rigid. Unless you want that sticking out into the slip stream to interfere with the action of the cannon, it has to go somewhere and it looks like it goes into the thiner(in cord) fairing on the other side of the gun. with the casings being ejected above the fairing.
Has anyone looked at Flying Guns of WW2 to see what Tony says on this thing?
We know that it has no internal cassette magazine arrangement, it fires from those clips, it doesn't seem that any picture that we have seen here would show room for two 6 round clips per gun in a vertical stack arrangement. Certainly there is no picture that shows enough room for two clips end to end.