Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[MORAY37]

. For the love of God, just get it out in the open for what your agenda is: Institution of a single global governance, transfer of wealth from Western Nations and generate an Orwellian Utopia.  

    

My agenda?

To die quietly as far away from people like you as possible.  Preferably on the deck of a sailboat after a beautifully long dive, and with a cold beer in my hand. 

It is literally insane to think that people, with such finite lives, can decidedly push an agenda that they will never see.  It is much more likely that people will always support the status quo....forever.... until forced to consider another alternative.

[MORAY37]

This is an interesting idea:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/science/15tier.html?ref=science

That is the exact model I've heard many real climatologists espousing.  I've yet to look at it deeper, but it seems sensible enough.

I do fear that the simple nature of humanity will not support such common sense though.  Too many see this as opportunity as opposed to a true threat to the species, unfortunately.

[Kev367th]

Wish you would stop citing 'peer reviewed' as a basis for any claims.
It's blatently obvious that this cabal of scientists have totally undermined the 'peer review' process.

The current UNIPCC report -
4000 scientists - Al Gore - LIE (theres a surprise)
2500 scientists - Other souces - Debateable, see below.

A little over 50 scientists put the report together, then peer reviewed it themselves!
Everyone who had anything to do with it (including dissenters) were included as having contributed to it, one guy had to threaten to sue the IPCC to get his name removed. The impression given is everyone included AGREED with the findings. All but a few critcisms were dismissed, most changes were phaseology.
The summaries were put together by politicians!

So if you can get a little group of friends together and all write papers, then review each others papers you can claim they were peer reviewed. Thats how this branch of science seems to work.

Whether it ends up that AGW/CC is a fact or not, this group has subverted/damaged/undermined the field as a whole. I hope there can now be a new UNBIASED fresh start.

That doesn't mean the UNIPCC investigating itself, thats plainly ludicrous. (fox and chickens)

[33Vortex]

It's all roadkill. Politics is all roadkill, entertainment is all roadkill... sometimes I can't see the difference between the two.

[CptTrips]

I'm currently reading an excellent book "Heaven and Earth".  Its a very interesting read.  It cuts right through the AGW BS.  I recomend it.

-Wab

[Chalenge]

... until forced to consider another alternative.

Bring it. 

[Angus]

My agenda?

To die quietly as far away from people like you as possible.  Preferably on the deck of a sailboat after a beautifully long dive, and with a cold beer in my hand. 

It is literally insane to think that people, with such finite lives, can decidedly push an agenda that they will never see.  It is much more likely that people will always support the status quo....forever.... until forced to consider another alternative.

To have an agenda or not to have an agenda. That is the question. I for myself wish that the future climate will be friendly enough to give my children a chance for a decent life.

How's that?

[saggs]

To have an agenda or not to have an agenda. That is the question. I for myself wish that the future climate will be friendly enough to give my children a chance for a decent life.

How's that?

This is another thing I don't get, there are REAL ISSUES that threaten us and the next generation.

AIDS
Genocide
Cancer
Malaria
Loss of family values
Starvation/Malnutrition
Energy shortage
Drug use
Extreme poverty
Fiscal security
Terrorism

to name a few

And your worry for your children's future is that it MIGHT get 2-3 degrees warmer over the next 50-100 years.

Again, how come crocodiles and sea turtles have survived dozens of drastic warming/cooling cycles, but we'll all die if it warms 3 degrees.  If it warms, or cools humans can and will adapt.

Maybe the UN could actually make a positive difference in the world, if instead of worrying about climate change (which is something they can do nothing about) and wasting billions of dollars on it, they did something useful.  Like maybe save millions of lives every year in Africa that are lost to malaria, we have the technology to do it to.  Or round up and execute all the warlords in Africa responsible for killing millions in genocide.  Or do something to stop the millions killed by AIDS or Cancer each year.  Or research and develop more efficient energy sources.  Or bring clean water to villages ravaged by dysentery.
 
Naw, why worry about actually saving lives, instead let's impose billions of dollars in taxes and penalties, which will do nothing to stop nature from doing what nature does (climate change) and which will give poor countries no chance of ever giving their citizens a better life.

[SirFrancis]

Irony= A post like yours not knowing the difference between weather and climate.

I hope you will say the same in the summertime, when its sh*t hot outside. But I guess, then its not weather anymore, but the effect of GW 

Regards
SF

[CAP1]

Indeed.  Historically it is.    (And weather isn't climate)

yea,,,,,and your tires aren't a part of your car

[Nwbie]

Its just stuff that woories me for our children and grandchildrens lives - it is not that the actual thing happening now - glacier melting - but how that affects everything else. Whether it is a natural occurence that happens every couple million years or whatever is not the point. it is how do we deal with it now to ensure that people have a home in a hundred years. to just shake your head and say it is natural lets ignore it is not going to help your grandchildren. Ther are consequences to every action or inaction.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/17239365

[Sabre]

Its just stuff that woories me for our children and grandchildrens lives - it is not that the actual thing happening now - glacier melting - but how that affects everything else. Whether it is a natural occurence that happens every couple million years or whatever is not the point. it is how do we deal with it now to ensure that people have a home in a hundred years. to just shake your head and say it is natural lets ignore it is not going to help your grandchildren. Ther are consequences to every action or inaction.

But that is the crux of the problem, Nwbie.  The whole focus of the talks in Copenhagen center around what may be a completely false premise, with a then predictably completely ineffective solution.  It is entirely necessary to determine first: 1) if the world is continuing to warm, 2) if the cause is CO2 or natural, 3) if -- assuming it is man-produced CO2 -- the proposed measures for cutting CO2 are effective and sustainable without causing more hardship than would occur by doing nothing.  If (1) is true, but natural, countries should be focused on determining how to mitigate the effects of warming, instead of wasting time trying to force draconian reductions in CO2 emmisions and redistributing wealth from other nations.  If (1) is true, but is indeed being driven by man-made factors, the real debate is what combination of prevention and mitigation is best.  If (1) is false, and the world is turning the corner and heading into cooling, we'd best start figuring out how to mitigate that instead, which would be a much more dire problem.

[MORAY37]

I hope you will say the same in the summertime, when its sh*t hot outside. But I guess, then its not weather anymore, but the effect of GW 

Regards
SF

I've never attributed a single weather event on a changing climate.  Not a hurricane.... not a snowstorm. Not a heat wave.  Nor a cold spell.

You can only attribute a multiple string of events on the larger climate factors. 

[CAP1]

I've never attributed a single weather event on a changing climate.  Not a hurricane.... not a snowstorm. Not a heat wave.  Nor a cold spell.

You can only attribute a multiple string of events on the larger climate factors. 

although you did say that one of their "signs" of global warming was increased hydrological activity? i think when i mentioned the snow storm here? the snow storm which is perfectly normal?

 you also alluded to the weather not being the climate.....but i believe that the different weather systems make up the climate.

[bozon]

To have an agenda or not to have an agenda. That is the question. I for myself wish that the future climate will be friendly enough to give my children a chance for a decent life.

[sarcasm]
Well, in that case, the most important thing we can do for our children is start killing people. No hybrid car or taxing of farts will solve the root of most environmental problems (GW included or not), which is that there are too many people on this planet, or at least will be really soon. Reducing  CO2 emission is not even treating the symptom - it is treating the psychosomatic symptom. All that money and time is wasted on talks can be used for killing people.

I am doing my share. How about you?
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