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Offline Ack-Ack

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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2009, 01:04:59 PM »
Oh I get it, you can't fight  :D

It's a waste of time with Yeager, he's an extremely timid pilot that rarely fights. 


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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2009, 01:43:25 PM »
he's an extremely timid pilot

Which begs the question: Why, then, would he E-risk his E-skin in an E-low-probability-of-survival E-contest?

Timid folks wouldn't bore straight into a cannon barrel, I should think.

Substitute whichever complicated explanation you wish; its a lack of confidence in one's ability.  Nothing more.

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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #77 on: November 25, 2009, 01:44:21 PM »
Oh I get it, you can't fight  :D
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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #78 on: November 25, 2009, 02:03:50 PM »
Timid folks wouldn't bore straight into a cannon barrel, I should think.
My whole point with the head on discussion is that it is a legitimate shot, not one that I strive for, but surely one that I need to be able to avoid as well as execute.   Every conceivable shot that can penetrate the target is a legitimate shot.  Saying that one particular aspect shot is somehow unsportsmanlike, illegal, immoral or illegitimate, opens up a slippery slope to all others.

At its core, the AH combat fighter part of the game is a guns game, pure and simple.  All shots are legit with three goals as far as Im concerned.  Kill, survive, and have fun while doing it.  That is my take on it and thats why I pay my subscription.  Timid?  sure, why not  :x 
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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #79 on: November 25, 2009, 03:32:56 PM »
...is that it is a legitimate shot...

The legitimacy of the shot isn't really the question. Jumping a single target with overwhelming odds is "legitimate". It is also dweebish......and that is the point that most of the Ho-shot detractors are trying to make.

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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2009, 03:36:42 PM »
SIX-shooters should be banned!!!  Shows a lack of  Sportsmanship - absolutely NO honour in people who shoot you in the back!!!

Just because they are good at SNEAKING up on you when you are not looking shows how WEAK they are in their confidence to FACE you down. Shows how unskilled they are at getting in front of you - pulling the easy "Turn 'n Burn play for beginners" into an art.

YEP - back shootin SIX-shooters should be BANNED!! Absolutely little or no SKILL required to be a circle-fighter!!! :devil


<puts on asbestos underwear and heading for the fall-out shelter>  heheheheheh  :neener:

....and the FOREVER Thread continues!

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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2009, 04:08:04 PM »
SIX-shooters should be banned!!!  Shows a lack of  Sportsmanship - absolutely NO honour in people who shoot you in the back!!!

Just because they are good at SNEAKING up on you when you are not looking shows how WEAK they are in their confidence to FACE you down. Shows how unskilled they are at getting in front of you - pulling the easy "Turn 'n Burn play for beginners" into an art.

YEP - back shootin SIX-shooters should be BANNED!! Absolutely little or no SKILL required to be a circle-fighter!!! :devil


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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2009, 05:35:19 PM »
I realise this won't change a thing. It is human nature to stick with what was said even when proven wrong. Books have been written about it, some of the greatest minds have great quotes out there saying this. This post will mostly be a waste of my time, I realise that.

I play this game for fun, like most everyone else here. Yes, fun will be different for everyone. For me, I like a challenge, I like to learn, I like to improve. Nothing in this game is more frustrating than to fly 5-10 minutes, finding action, just to get HOd. It's not the K/D loss, it's the wasted time. It's like searching for a deliciouse brownie, taking a bite, and finding out it's a dog turd. It tastes bad (I assume) and I wasted my time doing it.

Imagine a game of chess, a great, strategic game to get good at using knowledge, adaptability, planning, many great skills. Say there was one move that the first player could do which immediately creates a win or draw. The second player can also make this move, but both can only do it on the initial move. Wouldn't it be super pathetic to take such a great challenge and throw it away with that move? The person doing it shows their weak, immature, primitive lack of charactor while losing a great chance to challenge themselves and get better at something.

There are many types, but a major division will be those who play to learn and improve, and those who play only to get kills, only to "win". To me, those guys ALWAYS lose, in multiple ways. Not just in the game, but also in life.

For those who only play to win, they could possibly have more fun joining the special olympics.
For those who like to aim straight at a merging opponent and shoot them down, maybe they could set up their joystick to work as a mouse, and go around their desktop double clicking icons.

To play just to put that circle on another object relatively stationary to your plane of motion is very pathetic.

A 2 year old can do these things. Go get a fisher price toy with red buttons and use your hand eye coordination to push it.

That's how much skill it takes to HO. I could teach my 5 year old neice to HO, and that is not an exageration.

It indicates weakness, and a need to feel good at something because in general they have few life skills and a low self esteem. They are unguided and probably aren't good at setting self improving goals in life.

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The definition will differ with some, for me, this is a HO:

Flying at the frontal quadrant of another plane, and during or before the initial merge, taking the shot.

That includes flying head on but at say 100m offset, only to make high deflection immediately to shoot their side.

It includes shooting at someone who COULD (but doesn't necessarily) shoot at you but is choosing to take a non collision course to create a merge.

Mainly it is flying in with the intent to shoot someone flying in general toward the HOr(their velocity in relation to HOr current location), who knows you're there, and is setting up a merge, and yet the HOr intends to take that shot regardless of what the merger does.

The main thing, is you can HO while not being exactly crosshair to crosshair. You can HO someone who doesn't HO you.
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There are some situations where it's just gunna happen.
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Say you have an enemy 1.5 to 2 back, they are faster, you have to turn into them. Just about the time you're done turning around is around the time to decide to shoot. Normally I'd prefer not to shoot, but in this situation, whether I'm the chaser or the guy turning around, I'll tend to take the shot knowing the other guy will shoot 90% of the time. As far as I'm concerned once a guy is that close behind you, jockeying for position has already occured. Either way this is bound to happen.

It's a gangbang, of course the outnumbered guy will HO most often.

I also always HO bombers when I'm in a fighter.

A high con over my field has huge E advantage over me, I will often find myself in a situation where I have to turn up at him while he dives at me, and I will HO if I think they're gunna shoot.

I will HO a guy after something strategic. If a JUG is making a run on the CV I will HO so he doesn't take it down. I will HO someone trying to pork my base.
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But I won't HO a fighter on fighter dogfight situation. It's below people mature enough to learn self respect.

A HO isn't so much a head on, as a derogatory term for someone who takes the easy way out, and tries to avoid the fight, in the form of shooting on the intial merge from the frontal quardrant of the enemy.

I understand they need the "kill" to feel adequate, but it's dissapointing that I have to waste my time to find out the red icon was a juvenile that sucks at life.

It is classless to HO.

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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2009, 05:44:33 PM »
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The legitimacy of the shot isn't really the question. Jumping a single target with overwhelming odds is "legitimate". It is also dweebish......and that is the point that most of the Ho-shot detractors are trying to make.

Then is it not also dweebish and timid to fly around and shoot down scores of n00bs and clueless pilots in the first place?

Under the same line of reasoning these so-called "HO-shot detractors" are making, the only non-dweebish act would be to actively seek out pilots of roughly similar skill level as themselves, and only fight them - instead of clubbing baby seals and preaching "ACM" or "BFM" or whatever abbreviations used to hide their dweebery.
















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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2009, 05:47:29 PM »
Then is it not also dweebish and timid to fly around and shoot down scores of n00bs and clueless pilots in the first place?

Under the same line of reasoning these so-called "HO-shot detractors" are making, the only non-dweebish act would be to actively seek out pilots of roughly similar skill level as themselves, and only fight them - instead of clubbing baby seals and preaching "ACM" or "BFM" or whatever abbreviations used to hide their dweebery.
















The red icons don't say "noob" or "clueless" last I checked. The faceshot does though. :D

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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #85 on: November 25, 2009, 06:07:31 PM »
Reasons why HOs should be used....
1. They did it in real life.....(this is a game)
2. Its needed to survive and have fun.....(I don't HO at all and have plenty of fun AND survive, so do many others)

The reason why you argue for HOs is either A.You suck and its the second of two ways for you to get a kill(the other is an AFK plane) or B.Your timid and if you cant get someone BnZing from a perch, you take the easy HO shot instead of fighting straight up(this is what I think Yeager is).

The fact is all those for HOs are just ignorant when it comes to fighting someone so they use basic instincts
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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2009, 06:34:53 PM »
God these ANTI-HO folks make it SO easy to pull their chains - I LOVE IT!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Bottom line is who the hell cares how you play the game as long as you have fun - since it IS just a game it makes NO difference if you HO or not - you get a free plane anytime you want. Or you can easily avoid the HO. Lots of times I do avoid - lots of times I don't avoid. You don't see ME whining about it.

BUT I do love seeing these guys up get all wound up over it - it's like lil 'ol god came along and placed in their pearly angelic hands the "keys" to the game....AND only they are the KEEPERS OF THE HOLY WAY!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :devil

THIS whole subject is funnier than SNL!! :x

some of these people really need to take a reality check or as the greatest of all star captains said "Get a LIFE"!!!! :neener:

...and the FOREVER Thread saga continues eh! :D
HO is a HO is a HO!!
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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2009, 06:44:39 PM »
God these ANTI-HO folks make it SO easy to pull their chains - I LOVE IT!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Bottom line is who the hell cares how you play the game as long as you have fun - since it IS just a game it makes NO difference if you HO or not - you get a free plane anytime you want. Or you can easily avoid the HO. Lots of times I do avoid - lots of times I don't avoid. You don't see ME whining about it.

BUT I do love seeing these guys up get all wound up over it - it's like lil 'ol god came along and placed in their pearly angelic hands the "keys" to the game....AND only they are the KEEPERS OF THE HOLY WAY!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :devil

THIS whole subject is funnier than SNL!! :x

some of these people really need to take a reality check or as the greatest of all star captains said "Get a LIFE"!!!! :neener:

...and the FOREVER Thread saga continues eh! :D
I think I speak for alot of the people on the "anti-ho" side that we actually like to have a challenge when playing a game.....btw you havnt pulled any chains yet
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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2009, 06:52:48 PM »
btw you havnt pulled any chains yet

LOL - Your very post and 6 pages here so far and about 1200 pages in past threads says YOU'RE wrong!!! :neener:


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Re: A tactic as old as flight simming itself...
« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2009, 06:54:40 PM »
LOL - Your very post and 6 pages here so far and about 1200 pages in past threads says YOU'RE wrong!!! :neener:


....and the FOREVER Thread rolls on and on and on........eh! :D
Sure has been an increase of dillusional people lately :confused: