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Offline DrDea

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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2009, 10:12:47 AM »
 Had Grand Tourismo flash backs watching that lap. He was under driving the car no doubt about it.
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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2009, 10:56:27 AM »
With the gearing changes for 2010, specifically tailored to the issues at Nurburgring, the engine will not be bouncing off the rev limiter on the next attempt. The plan is to do all primary chassis tuning prior to flying the cars to Germany. Thus, only minor adjustments will be required.

This should result in sub 7:10 lap times.

will be interesting to see if slightly different gearing alone can take 12s off the time, i'm dubious it will make that much difference.

is it possible to tune the aero and suspension for the ring on the ZR-1 like the ACR?

btw great to see 2 manufacturers going head to head like this :aok
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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2009, 11:24:23 AM »
will be interesting to see if slightly different gearing alone can take 12s off the time, i'm dubious it will make that much difference.

is it possible to tune the aero and suspension for the ring on the ZR-1 like the ACR?

btw great to see 2 manufacturers going head to head like this :aok

The car was on the rev limiter for a long time down the long straight, fifteen to twenty seconds if I recall correctly.

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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2009, 11:25:56 AM »
Looking at the onboard footage from Laguna the car could be driven alot better round it. Perhaps i am ignorant, but that video looked like almost sloppy driving. More for the thrill than setting a fast lap.
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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2009, 11:51:46 AM »
Looking at the onboard footage from Laguna the car could be driven alot better round it. Perhaps i am ignorant, but that video looked like almost sloppy driving. More for the thrill than setting a fast lap.
The driver at the Ring was a pro... An Engineer was driving at Laguna Seca.



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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2009, 12:41:21 PM »
Bronk i have to ask ,  Why so insecure , if people dont like the viper that is their choice is it not ?
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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2009, 02:54:24 PM »
Because deep down he knows it's a POS.

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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2009, 04:10:20 PM »
 From sims,the Viper takes a real steady hand,and foot to get all you can out of it.Im sure the engineer left a LOT out on the table at Laguna. At the ring,the gearing hurt it.
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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2009, 04:34:26 PM »
Bronk i have to ask ,  Why so insecure , if people dont like the viper that is their choice is it not ?
Don't have to like it. I don't like WWII german AC but I can appreciate there achievements/performance.
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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2009, 07:23:47 PM »
Ah... Chrysler.  Who doesn't love a company that designs a vehicle where you have to take a tire off to get at the access panel to change the battery.
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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2009, 09:04:26 PM »
Ah... Chrysler.  Who doesn't love a company that designs a vehicle where you have to take a tire off to get at the access panel to change the battery.

Not too bad... Ever try to change a battery in an early MGB? How about the sparkplugs on a Sunbeam Tiger (unbolt the drive shaft, remove the rear transmission cross member/mount, swing the tranny down with the engine to reach the aft most pair on the 260 or 289 engine). How about the Austin-Healey Sprite/MG Midget clutch change? You can't remove the gearbox until after you pull out the engine... There's lots of examples of lousy compromises in engineering. Chrysler's, while annoying, aren't nearly as bad as some. Access to everything on my 2008 Wrangler is outstanding... Except to top off or fill the engine oil. You need a long-neck funnel or you'll have a mess.


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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2009, 10:15:21 AM »
"How about the Austin-Healey Sprite/MG Midget clutch change? You can't remove the gearbox until after you pull out the engine... "

pulling the engine was easy, just pull the engine, tranny stays in car.

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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2009, 08:51:52 AM »
"How about the Austin-Healey Sprite/MG Midget clutch change? You can't remove the gearbox until after you pull out the engine... "

pulling the engine was easy, just pull the engine, tranny stays in car.

I agree. If you are doing the job alone, leaving the gear box in the chassis is easier. But, if you have a friend, pulling both together is better. Especially with the 1275 engine. Also, I always rebuilt the slave cylinder when doing a clutch change.

For those who don't know, the Sprite/Midget chassis/frame was not stiff enough and this was remedied by boxing the transmission tunnel. This made access to the transmission virtually non-existent. There was a rubber plug that allowed access to bleed the clutch slave cylinder, but that was about all.


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Re: Viper ACR continous to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2009, 10:24:58 AM »
You'd be amazed at what they've done with the 1965 Fiat design Lada was based on for 30 years.

Actually, to be honest, you really wouldn't.

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Re: Viper ACR continues to set lap records at various race tracks
« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2009, 11:09:00 AM »
BIG diff between sports and cups - the cups are soft compound semi-slicks for track use, my guess worth about 10s at the ring.

10 seconds on a course that long is probably a very conservative estimate.

The Sport Cups are track tires. Sure they're street legal, but then again all DOT-R compound race tires are, technically, when they come out of the mould. Likewise, the Kumho Ecsta V710's I raced on with the Vette, Acura, and Honda are street legal, too. They're probably good for a few thousand miles of easy street use before they're chorded. They normally last 2-3 race weekends (12-16 heat cycles) before they're junk. The Viper's tires are the same.... they're on the car from the factory because the car was intended for track use, not street.

As far as lap times, I'd bet the difference between race tires and street tires at that course would be more than 10 seconds. I can tell you on my older Vette that was set up strictly for track use, the difference between good street tires and DOT-R race tires on the 2.1 mile course at Roebling road was 2.5-3 seconds a lap, and close to 5 full seconds at Carolina Motorsports Park, a 14 turn 2.7 mile circuit. I'm no factory test driver, but with a NASA National class championship and a SCCA Divisional championship I think I'm good enough to know the difference and get most of the good out of each set of tires.

I stand by my position: The Viper and the Vette were running on nowhere near equal footing, and given equal rubber the ZR-1 Vette would trounce the Viper. I guess that's why the Vette engineers ignore the Viper's times for comparison's sake, and focus more on Nissaan and Porsche's times. They're competing against actual street cars that are their actual competition, not factory prepped race cars that will likely never see street use nor were they intended to.

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