Lets get this straight

[warhed]

Amen best answer yet.

Take out kill awarding, see how long the game would last 

[ImADot]

Nobody's asking to remove the scoring and name in lights.  Some of us just don't care whether it's there or not.  Unfortunately, there are those among us who care so much about it, that they game the game or fly so timidly that there's no such thing as a good fight with them.  I have never been one to yell and scream about these such people, but I do voice my opinion.  If I find an area where these players are, and don't get any good fights from them, I just go somewhere else.

[warhed]

Nobody's asking to remove the scoring and name in lights.  Some of us just don't care whether it's there or not.  Unfortunately, there are those among us who care so much about it, that they game the game or fly so timidly that there's no such thing as a good fight with them.  I have never been one to yell and scream about these such people, but I do voice my opinion.  If I find an area where these players are, and don't get any good fights from them, I just go somewhere else.

I highly highly doubt removing kill awarding would make timid players any less timid.

[stodd]

 Oh and nemisis firing a shot to warn is stupid,if you hit them you damage yourself,but if you played the game you'd know that.

If I were in that situation and someone was trying to steal a kill id just say over vox, "check 6 <dweeb's name> high 190 diveing on you.

[ZZee]

how would you (or the program) determine the "most deserving person" ?

Lusche,
 
The most deserving would be the one who caused the plummet toward the tierra firma. I have blown planes up that were flying AND fighting as if no damage, without getting as much as an assist.



I understand what the current model is trying to do, but i just think that it needs refinement. I dont have any examples/evidence at present of the shortcomings, but I will try to remember to film some or remember the particular instance.

I dont ever remember being upset with the old damage model/scoring system to the point that I would have changed it.

 

Z

[guncrasher]

Lusche,
 
The most deserving would be the one who caused the plummet toward the tierra firma. I have blown planes up that were flying AND fighting as if no damage, without getting as much as an assist.



I understand what the current model is trying to do, but i just think that it needs refinement. I dont have any examples/evidence at present of the shortcomings, but I will try to remember to film some or remember the particular instance.

I dont ever remember being upset with the old damage model/scoring system to the point that I would have changed it.

 

Z

zzee, i think there's a bug on the system, since i have shot down some planes where nobody else was around without so much as an assist.  another thing to point out is when in a furball (and i have checked this in my films) i am sure my bullets were doing all the damage when actually a frindlies bullets being shot from behind me were striking the plane.  I dont care about that, since i tell everybody that asks me, is never to ask me if they have a shot take it.  but in my case i dont care about score.  and then again i am surprised because there's times when somebody else will take 1/2 wing off a plane, engine smoking and they let it go thinking that it's gonna crash.  I always let them know to come back and finish it because its flying away, they refuse i shoot a couple of bb's to make it bail and I end up with the kill, go figure.



semp

[warhed]

zzee, i think there's a bug on the system, since i have shot down some planes where nobody else was around without so much as an assist.  another thing to point out is when in a furball (and i have checked this in my films) i am sure my bullets were doing all the damage when actually a frindlies bullets being shot from behind me were striking the plane.  I dont care about that, since i tell everybody that asks me, is never to ask me if they have a shot take it.  but in my case i dont care about score.  and then again i am surprised because there's times when somebody else will take 1/2 wing off a plane, engine smoking and they let it go thinking that it's gonna crash.  I always let them know to come back and finish it because its flying away, they refuse i shoot a couple of bb's to make it bail and I end up with the kill, go figure.



semp

FYI, wing tips are not considered vital parts in the system. 

[ImADot]

As I've said before, I care not but for the fight...but something happened tonight that is kind of funny.

I was in my Hurri-Mk1 in EW, flew to a red-guy base waiting for a guy to up again (he just attacked my base as I logged in).  He ups a Brew and has another in a Hurri-Mk2c and we start at it.  I'm the only green on on my whole side at the moment.  He augers after a few passes, and I kill the 2c after another minute or so.  He ups another Brew (alone this time). We're twisting and turning on the deck, and I riddle his Brew with my .303's O' Death.  He pancakes, breaks off everthing and is on fire.  He towers for a successful ditch.  I don't see any message about the kill or the assist.  I would have at least liked to see something like:  "SYSTEM: Brewster killed by Mother Earth" .  

So, I think that perhaps the new damage/kill-credit routines have a slight bug (like guncrasher mentions).  I get a kill for an auger where I never touched him, but don't get a kill after peppering his plane, having him pancake and ditch.  And no, I didn't have film running .    And no, I still don't care if I get "credit" for a kill.

[AWwrgwy]

A ditch is a ditch no matter how much you've shot him or what's left on the plane when he slides it in.

He survived.  Technically, so did his plane.

A ditch "behind enemy lines", however, is a "capture" and counts as a kill for you.

Location, location, location.

Haven't done it lately, but you used to be able to slide a burning plane in and the fire would go out.  With the new, limited burn times I don't think is would be possible any more.


wrongway

[ZZee]

As far as the ditch model goes,  i guess i dont fully understand the inner workings of the moedl.


I have seen guys in no-mans-land between bases ditch right below me after shooting his wing without getting anything. I have shot guys up and watch them run toward home and broken off the pursuit for one reason or another, then 5 minutes later i get a kill message. I know this could be them auguring, except the same has happened to me.

I'll fly home a sector (WELL away from bad guys/enemy bases) with smoking oil or something and slide short of the runway, ditch and someone will get the kill.

not that big of deal, but frustrating at times.



Z

[stran]

Lusche,
 
The most deserving would be the one who caused the plummet toward the tierra firma. I have blown planes up that were flying AND fighting as if no damage, without getting as much as an assist.

i agree.
i would rather not the the kill on a fight that i couldn't finish. i would want the kill on a fight the other guy couldn't finish and i had the capability to finish.
lets say a runner gets away from a slower plane and later engages with you. if you kill the runner you should get the kill.
if a runner gets away from you and is killed by your buddy who has the E to fight him, you don't deserve the kill.

so i'm saying the player who did the most damage may not have won the fight.
and this is not a biased opinion because my plane of choice is a TnB and not one of the fast planes.

[Becinhu]

     Killsteals do have a place among friends or squads at times.  don5090 and myself do it quite often to each other when the night has been boring.  Memorable example: We were winged up looking for small engagements to enter.  I spot a lone zeke climbing out from his base.  I make the call and start my approach. As I get 600 off and prepare to open up I hear over vox "B check six 262 right on your azz!!" I break hard and hear an explosion followed by "zero down" from don5090.  I say "Where's that 262. I can't see him!"  Don5090 replies with "Huh? What 262?"
     Needless to say I was pissed at the moment until don's maniacal laughter broke my bad mood.  I payed him back later by following a wounded duck F4u straight down hosing him all the way to steal don's kill.  We also play the "pick your buddies target game" ,of course this game must always start without your buddy being informed. 

[Unit791]

As I've said before, I care not but for the fight...but something happened tonight that is kind of funny.

I was in my Hurri-Mk1 in EW, flew to a red-guy base waiting for a guy to up again (he just attacked my base as I logged in).  He ups a Brew and has another in a Hurri-Mk2c and we start at it.  I'm the only green on on my whole side at the moment.  He augers after a few passes, and I kill the 2c after another minute or so.  He ups another Brew (alone this time). We're twisting and turning on the deck, and I riddle his Brew with my .303's O' Death.  He pancakes, breaks off everthing and is on fire.  He towers for a successful ditch.  I don't see any message about the kill or the assist.  I would have at least liked to see something like:  "SYSTEM: Brewster killed by Mother Earth" .  

So, I think that perhaps the new damage/kill-credit routines have a slight bug (like guncrasher mentions).  I get a kill for an auger where I never touched him, but don't get a kill after peppering his plane, having him pancake and ditch.  And no, I didn't have film running .    And no, I still don't care if I get "credit" for a kill.

Two nights ago, I was in the twoer and scored a kill and an assist 

[Saurdaukar]

Most likely you won't, unless his "lots of bullets" where .303's and your single round a 30mm

I take issue with that since I set a new record a few nights ago.  3x30mm hits = assist.

My kill/assist ratio is heavily skewed to the latter post-update. 

I dont understand how this scoring system really works at all.

[ImADot]

Yet another reason to just enjoy the fights and don't worry about score.