perk rides

[RTHolmes]

Lets fight a series of friendly duels against your Ta-152, since you are one of the chiefest experten in that plane.

I'll do half of them flying the P-51D, and half of them flying the SpitXVI.

If the results of head-to-head fighting a 152 against the P-51 are the same as against the SpitXVI, I'll agree with you that they have the same impact on the MA.

If however, results are unequal, would you then agree with me that this notion of "impact on the arena" without reference to the plane's actual performance traits as a fighter is a little nuts?  

(Eh, I'm guessing probably not. )

What these k/d stats you cite tell ME is that the SpitXVI is a 344mph airplane flown most often by out-and-out noobs and for desperate base defense and it STILLS manages a k/d similar to a 365mph aircraft that is usually flown in a more...let's call it "conservative" manner. That is just odd, yes?

P-51D should be about 10, with the other un-maneuverable fast rides. Put the Dora at 10 while we're at it. 109K should be 10, and only that high because of its difficult gun. La7 needs to go back to 5 at least where that monster belongs.

no what the stats show is that the aircraft have very similar impacts on the MA, and that their relative ENY values are about right. and that if you perk the XVI you should perk the 51D by the same amount.

I really dont understand why you still seem to be confused about the difference between a 1v1 duel and MA gameplay

[oakranger]

Because it has the same impact on arena as the Spit XVI

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That may be so, but what threat dose it have.  dose not turn tight, 6 .50 cal, can not out run a spit 16,9,8 or La.  About the only thing it has in endurance.  

[RTHolmes]

[Saurdaukar]

Spit16 needs perked. That plane is a joke.

I am inclined to agree.  

16's are the only A/C I actively avoid unless I am in a plane I know can sustain a smaller turning radius since thats what most 16 v. X engagements end up devolving into.

Granted thats more pilot than plane... but still.

I feel sorry for the guys who fly it for historical or nationalistic reasons (71st/Few) since so many of the newer players give the airplane a horrible reputation.  It can make up for almost any driver error with minimal loss of position.

[waystin2]

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So true Holmes.  The 16 gets a bad rep because it was built just too darn good.  I prefer the 8 & 9, but still fly the 16 on occasion.  As far as perking it, none has been able to produce data that it's impact in the MA's warrants it's perking.  I have seen this argument multiple times over my last 2 1/2 years here in AH.  I think she will stay unperked.

[Plazus]

So true Holmes.  The 16 gets a bad rep because it was built just too darn good.  I prefer the 8 & 9, but still fly the 16 on occasion.  As far as perking it, none has been able to produce data that it's impact in the MA's warrants it's perking.  I have seen this argument multiple times over my last 2 1/2 years here in AH.  I think she will stay unperked.

Impact in the MAs? Spit14 has minimal if no impact. And it's perked....

[Karnak]

Impact in the MAs? Spit14 has minimal if no impact. And it's perked....

And many of us have advocated it getting the Ta152 treatment and be unperked because of it.

Heck, I'd happily make the trade to have the Spit XIV unperked and the Spit XVI perked.  Of course, the Spit Haters Club will shout down any such suggestion.  They want the Spit XIV perked, the Spit XVI perked and I have no doubt they'll want the Spit VIII perked.  I still remember the calls to perk the Spit IX, which would likely return after the Spit VIII was perked.

[Ack-Ack]

No joke. Do you laugh when one is on your six, or come here and go  about the need to perk it?

 

Only those that cry to perk the Spitfire Mk XVI are the ones that lack the skill necessary to shoot one down.


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[AWwrgwy]

I am inclined to agree.  

16's are the only A/C I actively avoid unless I am in a plane I know can sustain a smaller turning radius since thats what most 16 v. X engagements end up devolving into.

Granted thats more pilot than plane... but still.

I feel sorry for the guys who fly it for historical or nationalistic reasons (71st/Few) since so many of the newer players give the airplane a horrible reputation.  It can make up for almost any driver error with minimal loss of position.

First and foremost, for my British squaddies, it's 71 Squadron, not 71st.  

More importantly, you avoid Spit XVI's?  Really?

 

I don't think we fly the XVI much anyway.

wrongway

[TnDep]

Spit16 needs perked. That plane is a joke.

+1

Climbs to good
Speed to good
Turn rate to good
Hard to beat when flown right

[saantana]

..
Hard to beat when flown right

Any plane is hard to beat when it's flow right.

[waystin2]

Impact in the MAs? Spit14 has minimal if no impact. And it's perked....

you made me check the post again.  We are talking about the 16 correct? 

[saantana]

We are talking about 5 ENY rides 

Out of which only my beloved spit 16 is getting all the bad rep. 

[caldera]

 They want the Spit XIV perked, the Spit XVI perked and I have no doubt they'll want the Spit VIII perked. 

Great idea.  +1   

[oakranger]

We are talking about 5 ENY rides 

Out of which only my beloved spit 16 is getting all the bad rep. 

P-51 IS 5 ENY too.  but care less if they both are not perk.