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K West · « **on:** January 07, 2002, 08:48:00 PM »

No points for WHAT this plane is. The question "name this" is posed for where and when this photo was taken.

Good luck! And I wonder if I should ask Wideing not to answer?

Westy

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Raubvogel · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2002, 09:12:00 PM »

Italy 1945

jan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2002, 06:05:00 AM »

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The service history of the Shooting Star begins in 1944, when the decision was made to deploy four service test YP-80As to Europe to demonstrate their capabilities to combat crews and to help in the development of tactics to be used against Luftwaffe jet fighters. 44-83026 and 83027 were shipped to England in mid-December 1944, but 44-83026 crashed on its second flight in England, killing its pilot. 44-83027 was turned over to the British government and modified by Rolls-Royce to flight test the B-41, the prototype of the Nene turbojet. On November 14, 1945, 44-83027 was destroyed in a crash landing after an engine failure. 44-83028 and 83029 were shipped to the Mediterranean. They flew some operational sorties, but they never encountered any enemy aircraft. They were both returned to the USA after the war.

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uhmm, well, let´s say twas late ´44 to mid ´45 when those two p80a cruised the italian skies...

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follow this link for extensive information on the lookheed p-80 "shooting star".

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K West · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2002, 08:55:00 AM »

Close enough by both of you I guess. Although I washoping for somehting more geogrpahically spoecific like the base

Thanks for answering. Only two folks even tried to answer although Widewing would have gotten it and maybe have added more info.

That plane was one of the two P-80's used by at the Foggia USAAF base in Italy during the winter of 1944-1945.

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Westy

K West · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2002, 08:59:00 AM »

BTW, here is Major Borsodi in the cockpit of one of the YP-80A's at Burtonwood, January 1945. Pictures of the P-80 over in Europe are pretty rare. More than likely due to the veil of secrecy not too many military people took the libert of snapping thier pictures of them there.

And a picture of the remains of that P80 which crashed:

Westy

fdiron · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2002, 01:36:00 PM »

Anyone know the top speed or range of the P80? How did it compare to the Me262. Was it more reliable?

M.C.202 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2002, 02:10:00 PM »

From WWII Fighting Jets, Ethell & Price.
(edit adds info from The Complete Book of Fighters, Green & Swanborough)

P-80A
Engine(s) one 3,850 lb thrust (raised to 4,000 after mid '45)
Top speed @sea level 558mph, 492mph @ 40,000feet.
Range 1,100 miles with tip tanks, 780 miles internal
Climb to 20,000ft 5.30sec
Ceiling 45,000ft
normal loaded weight, 11,700 lbs
wing area, 237.6 sqft
49.24 lbs per sqft

ME 262
engine(s) two @ 1,980lb thrust ea.
Top speed @sea level 514mph, 540mph @20,000 feet.
Range 300 miles @ sea level, 650 miles @ 29,530ft
Time to 6,000 meters, 6.48sec
normal loaded weight, 14,101lbs
wing area, 233.58sqft
60.37 lbs per sqft

One of the best features of the P-80 is the control "feel". It will lose this atvantage in a game, much like the Macchi 202/205 does.
The T-33, a two seat P-80, is still in use today, and some were rebuilt recently for use in South America with an expected use to mid century

A hundred year old design in use for training fighter jocks

As to which is better, just get the owner of one of the new ones to play against a T-33. Set a power limit on both to WWII specs.

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Oldman731 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2002, 02:58:00 PM »

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Originally posted by M.C.202:
From WWII Fighting Jets, Ethell & Price.

P-80A
Top speed @sea level 558mph, 492mph @ 40,000feet.
Range 1,100 miles with tip tanks
Climb to 20,000ft 5.30sec
Ceiling 45,000ft

ME 262
Top speed @sea level 514mph, 540mph @20,000 feet.
Range 300 miles @ sea level, 650 miles @ 29,530ft
Time to 6,000 meters, 6.48sec

My favorite scenario in SWOTL.

- Oldman

pbirmingham · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2002, 03:08:00 PM »

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And a picture of the remains of that P80 which crashed:

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Westy

Didn't Richard Bong die in a P-80 crash?

fdiron · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2002, 08:42:00 PM »

Richard Bong died jumping out a P80 (he was too low to open his chute and fell through the roof of a house into someone's living room). It is speculated that he reduced throttle slightly after taking off, as was customary in the p38. However, for some reason this caused a flame out in his engine.

brady · « **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2002, 08:42:00 PM »

Very cool stuff O'Westy.

fdiron · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2002, 08:45:00 PM »

My favorite SWOTL mission was the one where you attacked the Me262s taking off. Had to watch for the flight of FW190s providing cover for them. My second favorite was "Operation Bodenplatte"- I think this was the one where you started off flying low over a river in a P51. You had to attack an enemy airfield. The flak and ground fire from the nearby factory always seemed to damage me. SWOTL was a great game. Loved the campaign manager.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2002, 12:02:00 PM »

Anyone know the critical Mach numbers for the P80 and the Me262? I have no idea, but I would guess that the 262's is a bit higher.