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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2009, 06:13:26 PM »
The Swastika was nothing before the Nazis used it, it is a good luck symbol to a tribe of American Indians (i forget which)
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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2009, 12:30:59 AM »
I didn't realize there was a difference. I did wonder why it was blue.  If I may ask, why is only the german one band? I've wondered why they were band, but didn't overthink it because I figured it had something to do with not wanting to promote the symbol, but then why leave this one in? seems like a small technical difference.



If you display it on any planes in aces high adolf will rise from his grave and start more wars!  :lol seems a bit silly imo from a historical point of view  :rolleyes:

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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2009, 09:07:06 AM »
If you display it on any planes in aces high adolf will rise from his grave and start more wars!  :lol seems a bit silly imo from a historical point of view  :rolleyes:

isn't it that it is banned by law in germany, and if it appeared on the planes in AH, AH would be banned in germany?

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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2009, 09:13:18 AM »
isn't it that it is banned by law in germany, and if it appeared on the planes in AH, AH would be banned in germany?

(complete speculation)


I would have to do some reading, but Hitler's swastika would be banned, not the Finnish. I'm specuating as well. Not real up on other country's laws.
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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2009, 11:20:13 AM »
The Finnish Air Force was established in 1918 and it adopted the blue swastika as the national marking. A certain austrian corporal and his ideology emerged almost 20 years later. The finnish swastika has nothing to do with Germany and even less with the national socialists.  The swastika is still on numerous flags and medals in Finland, such as the presidential flag.

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Finland

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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2009, 11:26:23 AM »
The Finnish Air Force was established in 1918 and it adopted the blue swastika as the national marking. A certain austrian corporal and his ideology emerged almost 20 years later. The finnish swastika has nothing to do with Germany and even less with the national socialists.  The swastika is still on numerous flags and medals in Finland, such as the presidential flag.

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Finland

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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2009, 12:01:36 PM »
isn't it that it is banned by law in germany, and if it appeared on the planes in AH, AH would be banned in germany?

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The symbol is banned in Germany yes but not apparently in the case of education and art I'm doubtful that AH would be banned in Germany if its planes displayed a swastika. I've seen pictures from the Luftwaffe museum in Germany the planes still have the swastika on the tail. There was a recent attempt to get it banned across Europe because somehow they believe a stupid looking cross has the power to build a surge of far right support in Europe and that the problem has nothing to do with immigration policys. 

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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2009, 12:05:06 PM »
Look at it like the Confederate flag here in the U.S. As it stands now, I see that as part of our history- a learning tool about our past.
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Re: Frankfurt AAR (with pics)
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2009, 02:27:48 PM »
The symbol is banned in Germany yes but not apparently in the case of education and art I'm doubtful that AH would be banned in Germany if its planes displayed a swastika. I've seen pictures from the Luftwaffe museum in Germany the planes still have the swastika on the tail. There was a recent attempt to get it banned across Europe because somehow they believe a stupid looking cross has the power to build a surge of far right support in Europe and that the problem has nothing to do with immigration policys. 
Aces High is entertainment, not education and the Nazi swastika would get the game banned.  The Finnish Von Rossen cross, on the other hand, is fine as it has nothing to do with the Nazi's, other than a possible link at the origin point.

The Finnish Air Force adopted the Von Rossen cross as its symbol after a Swedish nobleman, Duke Von Rossen if I recall correctly, donated the first aircraft to Finland to form their air force.  A certain German ace, who was employed as a commercial pilot, apparently paid frequent visits to the Von Rossen residence when he stopped in Sweden, being apparently interested a young lady.  That German ace was Hermann Goering and he may have remembered the Von Rossen cross and modified it a bit by canting it on its corner and changing colors for the Nazi party.

The basic swastika form is quite common, particularly in India where it is a symbol of good fortune.
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