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Offline Sol75

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Re: GV PERSPECTIVE
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2009, 02:12:11 PM »
Best solution to killing GVs is a 1000lb bomb.

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Offline waystin2

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Re: GV PERSPECTIVE
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2009, 02:35:39 PM »
Hmm guns set at 650... target set to 650... results..
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Yup no dispersion there. :rolleyes: :neener:
Seriously.  Does anybody actually shoot at 650 in the IL-2?  The actual Soviet pilots preferred the 23mm package because flight disruption was so severe with the 37mm.  Completely unable to fire more than 3-4 rounds tops.  It should twist and turn the plane like crazy.  Whether Hitech decides to go with it or not.  Who knows...
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Re: GV PERSPECTIVE
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2009, 03:26:47 PM »
The misconception in the strength of the shermans armor is related to the relative weakness of its gun and the impact on tactics. The low velocity gun tube forced the sherman crews to maneuver for close range kills. This not only exposed them to fire from enemy tanks and assault guns but played heavily into Rommel's preferred tactic of deploying anti tank guns forward of his armor. Normal successful engagement ranges for an M4 armed with the standard 75mm gun tube (M3L40) were 500M or less. Later versions equipped with the T23 turret (76mm gun tube) were able to engage not only PzIV's but also PZV/VI GV's on much more favorable (although not even) terms. The 46 degree slope on the shermans frontal armor was nearly identical to the T-34 and panther's. Significantly more shermans were lost to AT guns and infantry deployed AT weapons/mines then enemy tanks/TD's. If we view the german loss rates during the battle of the bulge we can see statistically very heavy losses completely absent US air power against units badly outnumbered and widely considered inferior and poorly equipped. US M10 equipped TD battalions (not to mention the M-36 equipped ones) repeatedly decimated German columns equipped with both Panther & Tiger tanks. While the M4 as originally configured is clearly inferior to all 1944 German AFV's the loss rate was as much a function of attack as anything else.

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Re: GV PERSPECTIVE
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2009, 04:15:57 PM »
Seriously.  Does anybody actually shoot at 650 in the IL-2?  The actual Soviet pilots preferred the 23mm package because flight disruption was so severe with the 37mm.  Completely unable to fire more than 3-4 rounds tops.  It should twist and turn the plane like crazy.  Whether Hitech decides to go with it or not.  Who knows...
Sooo how many Il-2 have you flown?

But seriously The Il-2 should fire a very short burst because of the non synch. Just as the ww RoF should be cut in 1/2 after a certain amount of time fired... unless a pause for reload.
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Re: GV PERSPECTIVE
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2009, 04:26:24 PM »
Sooo how many Il-2 have you flown?

But seriously The Il-2 should fire a very short burst because of the non synch. Just as the ww RoF should be cut in 1/2 after a certain amount of time fired... unless a pause for reload.


seeing as most wirbel drivers have figured out how to game it again....i like the idea of the pause to reload idea.  :devil
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Re: GV PERSPECTIVE
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2010, 01:02:12 PM »
Sooo how many Il-2 have you flown?

Honestly never flew them much before the unsynching of the guns.  Now I fly them pretty regularly.  


But seriously The Il-2 should fire a very short burst because of the non synch. Just as the ww RoF should be cut in 1/2 after a certain amount of time fired... unless a pause for reload.


I actually agree with you on both.  Will be interesting to see how and if Hitech handles it.
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Re: GV PERSPECTIVE
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2010, 02:14:13 PM »
No I dont believe for a minute that a Firefly had the optics to hit another tank at 5k but I do think the Tiger and Panzer could hit at 3k and did.

A little tidbit of documentation. There's a few pages that describe how far a Tiger could be from a vehicle to be effective on it from the four quarters.

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/TIGER-1%20FILES/tigerfibel.pdf

P.S. I'd kill for an English translation of that thing...
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