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Offline 2ADoc

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2009, 09:52:51 PM »
They do look alike if I take both my contacts out and dump chili powder in my eyes and squint real hard.
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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2009, 11:31:05 PM »
They do look alike if I take both my contacts out and dump chili powder in my eyes and squint real hard.
Can you even see like that? :huh :lol

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2009, 05:37:08 PM »
Yea but shooting an ILS is really hard. 
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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2009, 05:46:29 PM »
Bring On the HE-111's.


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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2010, 12:28:09 PM »
Want a reason ehh?
Fly hurri MkI or a spit MkI in a BoB scenario with 88s as a sub for the 111. Then you will know why. :noid

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The Hurricane Mk I might actually be able to catch an He-111.  The Ju-88 is very fast for its time and only equipped a minority of the Luftwaffe's bomber force in 1940.
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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2010, 12:42:13 PM »
Really? these look nothing like each other. (Image removed from quote.) (Image removed from quote.)

Are those images of the same plane?  They really do look alike.


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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2010, 12:54:07 PM »
Poor photo choices.  Wikipedia has photos that make the differences more clear:



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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2010, 01:36:19 PM »
Poor photo choices.  Wikipedia has photos that make the differences more clear:

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I should have added the [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags to my earlier post.

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2010, 04:18:13 PM »
+1

The Hurricane Mk I might actually be able to catch an He-111.  The Ju-88 is very fast for its time and only equipped a minority of the Luftwaffe's bomber force in 1940.

Problem is the A-1 was used during BOB, but the A-4 was post-BOB. Different engines, different wingspans, less performance, less defensive guns (only 1 rear dorsal in the A-1).

Overall it's like subbing a Ki67 for a Betty, and that's simply not done for the exact same reasons.

We need so many "earlier" bomber, for so many reasons. He-111 is top of the list!

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2010, 05:28:52 PM »
Poor photo choices.  Wikipedia has photos that make the differences more clear:

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yeah,poor photos, i had to leave right after that so i just picked a couple and used them.

Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2010, 05:44:28 PM »
Overall it's like subbing a Ki67 for a Betty, and that's simply not done for the exact same reasons.

Where do you get this kind of idea?   For instance, the wikipedia article on the Ju-88 cites Dressel, Joachim and Manfred Griehl, Bombers of the Luftwaffe, as stating that the A-4 was actually slower than the A-1 due to its longer wingspan and bomb bay bulge.  

Fwiw, I've checked their citations of books that I own, and they've always been accurate.  It's when I see citation needed that I take the information with a grain of salt.
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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2010, 06:24:52 PM »
Less horsepower in the engines, less wing area (less lift, less climb rate, lower ceiling on a plane that already barely gets to 20k when loaded), and from pics I've seen there is no bomb bay "bulge" difference between the two. I've seen pics of both and didn't notice any major changes there.

A-1 would definitely be a lesser plane, compared to the A-4.

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2010, 06:31:50 PM »
Do you have a source that contradicts Bombers of the Luftwaffe?
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