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[Ack-Ack]

my grandfather just told me he lied about the uncle inccident

Somehow I don't believe it was the 'grandfather' that lied but rather the squeaker trying to wiggle his way out of the BS pile he smothered himself with.


ack-ack

[2ADoc]

He might need a Draeger by now, and I wonder how long we need to cut the rope.

[Larry]

He might need a Draeger by now, and I wonder how long we need to cut the rope.

I think he needs to start learning Chinese if he keeps it up.

[5PointOh]

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[Templar]

Hopefully his "grandfather" has learned his lesson about tall tales on this forum. Good job on the verbal smackdown guys! 

[5PointOh]

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[Dream Child]

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the P-51 become the TF-51 (with revised vertical stab)?

TF-51 was a trainer version with dual controls. It did have the taller vertical stabilizer (same as the P-51H, if I recall correctly.) It was brought into production to train jet pilots how to handle a prop plane in Korea, as apparently P-80 pilots had a hard time figuring out how to deal with torque, and the USAF got tired of them killing themselves in the F-51's.

[Templar]

TF-51 was a trainer version with dual controls. It did have the taller vertical stabilizer (same as the P-51H, if I recall correctly.) It was brought into production to train jet pilots how to handle a prop plane in Korea, as apparently P-80 pilots had a hard time figuring out how to deal with torque, and the USAF got tired of them killing themselves in the F-51's.

Fascinating.....I was under the impression that pilots during that era did initial/basic flight training in prop driven aircraft, then advanced/primary certified as either prop aircraft or jet aircraft pilots. What a waste of money to train someone on prop aircraft then jet aircraft then pull them out of a jet and train them back into a prop plane.    

[Dream Child]

Fascinating.....I was under the impression that pilots during that era did initial/basic flight training in prop driven aircraft, then advanced/primary certified as either prop aircraft or jet aircraft pilots. What a waste of money to train someone on prop aircraft then jet aircraft then pull them out of a jet and train them back into a prop plane.    

And they still start with a prop plane before going to a jet. Don't think that knowing how to fly a Cessna or a jet will prepare you for a P-51, or any other WWII single engine, tail dragger fighter aircraft. Just flying a tail dragger requires a separate FAA endorsement in today's world, let alone one with real torque.

[Templar]

You misunderstood, I do understand about being certified in individual types, just thought it was odd to certify a group of pilots as jet pilots then recertifying them as a P-51 pilots (I know I'm a Gynecologist but i want to crosstrain as a heart surgeon....). Let alone building a specific trainer for that purpose as you stated. I could see the TF-51 being built as a general "type" trainer for that series..... not busting your chops, just wondering if crosstraining jet pilots was the actual purpose for the TF-51...

[Motherland]

Templar, do you realize that pilots received training just switching between types in WWII? While they were switching from one high-powered prop aircraft to another? I think Luftwaffe pilots got something like two weeks leave to retrain to a new type. You don't just hop in another plane and take off like you do in Aces High.

[Templar]

Yes Mother, thank you for your input. My question has more to do with the statement that the TF-51 was SPECIFICALLY designed as a cross training tool. Unless there is documentation that the TF-51 was designed to cross train JET PILOTS, I believe the origional statement to be inaccurate. Now, was the TF-51 developed as a general type trainer for the F-51? Or was it developed to meet a specific need for cross training jet pilots? 

[Dream Child]

Yes Mother, thank you for your input. My question has more to do with the statement that the TF-51 was SPECIFICALLY designed as a cross training tool. Unless there is documentation that the TF-51 was designed to cross train JET PILOTS, I believe the original statement to be inaccurate. Now, was the TF-51 developed as a general type trainer for the F-51? Or was it developed to meet a specific need for cross training jet pilots? 

Actually, I believe the TF-51's were converted from another variant of the 51, (can't seem to find what that was), so me saying they were brought into production would not be accurate. In WWII, the T-6 was used as the final trainer before getting into the bigger planes, though some would argue that one should train in a P-51 before getting into a T-6. I'll spend a little more time on this, but I know if a pilot was younger and had never flown a high performance single engine prop driven aircraft, putting him in a P-51 would be more dangerous to him than to anyone else.

[bravoa8]

Not replaced by, just a name change. The P-82 became the F-82. Same plane, different armed service.

Oh  yea guess your right I was thinking about the F-86 when I posted this.

[2ADoc]

The only flying P-82 was owned by the CAF and I believe it still is, but it will most likely not fly again due to the fact that an Airline Pilot who was getting checked out in it back in the 80's landed about 20 foot to high and dropped it in.  It bent the plane very badly, and the noise was well, UUUGGGHHHHH the humanity, they have the fuselage rebuilt and have had, to my understanding, is finding one of the props.  I cant remember which one it is but it had counter rotating props so one of the props is very hard to find and VERY expensive.