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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2010, 03:55:07 PM »
To all who are claiming that redout/blackout does not occur in F3 mode
you are in error. Myth busted.


Thank you for the correction newz.  I guess I never had to push it that far while in F3.
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2010, 04:04:07 PM »
Maybe a simpler fix would be to not allow any aircraft with "fixed forward" firing guns F3 view, unless in bomber mode with formations on!     :bolt:
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2010, 06:49:23 PM »
Hey, you're right.  I just tried it out.  Has it always been this way?  I seem to remember things being otherwise.

Don't get too excited though.  It would be nice if you fellows could approach the discussion more calmly instead of trying to score rhetorical smack-down points with every post.
You're right, it should be approached more calmly . . . but given the hysterics and attempts at outright falsehoods that get spewed about (like no black outs when in F3 view), it is sometimes difficult to refrain from responding in kind.

Yes, the black-out / red-outs have ALWAYS been that way as long as I have been playing.  Anyone who has spent a sufficient amount of time in the aircraft would know that.  Which, again, makes my point that (in general) those who want F3 removed because it supposedly makes things too easy for the IL-2 have not spent enough time in the aircraft to understand how vulnerable it is despite the supposed "advantage."  That isn't an attempt to "score points", but merely an observation.

The thing to remember about the IL-2 is it is agonizingly slow compared to most other aircraft.  Since it is a slow aircraft, even in sharp turns the pilot does not always experience enough G's for a blackout to occur.  But make no mistake that if you are up to speed and turn sharply, you will get the blackout, and regardless of what view you are in.
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2010, 07:01:46 PM »
You're right, it should be approached more calmly . . . but given the hysterics and attempts at outright falsehoods that get spewed about (like no black outs when in F3 view),


OT, you forgot a few.
B-24s never flew at tree top lvls.
B-25h cannon can not kill tigers.
the " I always lose collisions and it's HT's fault.

Cmon you are slacking. :P ;)
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2010, 07:03:51 PM »
Disagree with all of this and the stuff I snipped............

. . . their design and use was low level ground interdiction either in a battle field role or close support logistic role. The Stuka was purpose built for this role also. AS is the A10 Warthog now.
A tactical bomber is still a bomber.  One doesn't have to bomb in a "strategic" role to be a bomber.

By your definition, one could argue the Bostons, B-25s (especially), B-26s, and JU-88s should also have their F3 view removed.  I disagree that this would be a good thing.  It also, IMO, makes the edges much more blurry than they are now.

Speaking of blurry edges, I've stated in other threads the the Mossie is the only plane that seems to go against the "hard" rule, and the Mossie was originally an untouchable (high speed) light bomber.  The only explanation I have been able to come up with is that the version we have I believe was the night-interceptor version.  It seems to be a bit of a hybrid, though, because I assume the interceptor versions didn't carry bombs, and the bomber versions probably didn't carry 4 hispanos . . . but I'd have to do some reading on that.
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2010, 07:04:38 PM »
OT, you forgot a few.
B-24s never flew at tree top lvls.
B-25h cannon can not kill tigers.
the " I always lose collisions and it's HT's fault.

Cmon you are slacking. :P ;)
I'm sorry, I'll try to be more diligent in the future . . .  :noid
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2010, 07:18:03 PM »
It's true... What are you trying to say?   :huh

" I always lose collisions and it's HT's fault.




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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2010, 08:54:44 PM »
Yes, the black-out / red-outs have ALWAYS been that way as long as I have been playing.  Anyone who has spent a sufficient amount of time in the aircraft would know that.

I've spent enough time in aircraft with F3 view, but I'm getting confused between the 4 flight sims I have on my HD right now. :o

The thing to remember about the IL-2 is it is agonizingly slow compared to most other aircraft.
I like what stoney said, something like "in a short race with the Stuka to suffer a bird strike from behind."
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2010, 06:34:07 AM »
A tactical bomber is still a bomber.  One doesn't have to bomb in a "strategic" role to be a bomber.

By your definition, one could argue the Bostons, B-25s (especially), B-26s, and JU-88s should also have their F3 view removed.  I disagree that this would be a good thing.  It also, IMO, makes the edges much more blurry than they are now.

I use commonly known role references.....we could say they are all "planes" instead we define them and their roles.

and yes  I do believe when used as a dive bomber or  battle field weapon the "Bostons, B-25s (especially), B-26s, and JU-88s should also have their F3 view (and formations and F6 view) removed"  and this can be implemented as stated above by choosing attack..............

Ju88 and indeed even the HE111 was used extensively in battle field attack operations beside the Ju87 (read up on the Stalingrad "cauldron" and the battles preceeding the winter of 42)

Re the Mossie. If you research the use of the Fighter Bomber (Intruder) versions used extensively in the Med out of Sicily and later south Italian bases on intruder raids you will note that it was still primarily a bomber. I find few references to its use close to frontline activity. Indeed even in AH it seems to be used agin field objects rather than vehicles etc. Its night interceptor role to one side I only find it used as a fighter as along range escort to other Mossie bombers (usually over Norway or the Baltic)
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2010, 08:08:57 AM »
A tactical bomber is still a bomber.  One doesn't have to bomb in a "strategic" role to be a bomber.

Do you know, Yak-9 was a bomber?  :lol



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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2010, 08:30:26 AM »
Do you know, Yak-9 was a bomber?  :lol

(Image removed from quote.)

Well, not one we have, actually  :bolt:


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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2010, 08:32:34 AM »
OH OH OH I want one!!!

Only after we get PTAB's...............
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2010, 08:33:26 AM »
Only after we get PTAB's...............


Well then OH OH OH I want those too! :x


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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2010, 09:42:42 AM »
Only after we get PTAB's...............
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Re: F3 view for IL2
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2010, 12:37:22 PM »
Processing Tomato Advisory Board's?

Poorly timed and boring............. :P


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTAB

jeez I'm using Wiki!
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