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Glunz

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« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2000, 06:19:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by RAM:
 And it was not a buff killer. Was a pure fighter.

It was a beauty before everything else.

Who needs turning ?

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« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2000, 01:19:00 PM »
Sorry Gatt,

I think I need a vacation from the boards.

Here are some good URL's for some pretty neat racing stuff.

 http://www.airrace.org/

 http://www.renoairracing.com/

 http://www.pylon1.com/index1.shtml
Some great F2G Corsair stuff in this last link in the racers from the past tab.

Enjoy


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« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2000, 01:50:00 AM »
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Nath. What was your point?

My point was... in the post, did you miss it? ;p

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« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2000, 09:01:00 AM »
 I have to admit I've defiantely grown tired of the big time punk attitude Nath you wear on your sleeve.

 "First F4Us were in action during February 1943 with VMF 124, first kill was scored on Feb 14th iirc."

 My question was if your point was only that this is the first kill, period? Or was this the year (1943) that the F4U should be considered as being in? Unlike 1942 which is what all the AH  Axis and British planes are claimed by some to be of?

 Don't answer. I could care less at this point.

 -Westy

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« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2000, 09:14:00 AM »
Just imagine I just said something really really clever to get all you to calm down a bit.  

Ahhhhhh Isnt that better?  

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« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2000, 11:26:00 AM »
Did you notice that new Spit in Pyro's post in News?

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« Reply #66 on: December 17, 2000, 11:54:00 AM »
Not a Spitfire, a Seafire.  

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« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2000, 12:37:00 PM »
You should have cared less before you posted, you could have saved face.

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« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2000, 12:38:00 PM »
I was responding to f4udoas statement that the first F4Us were in action during August.

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« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2000, 06:02:00 PM »
...with bubble canopies and water injection...

Ha! Who misses the point now! (all of us methinks)

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« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2000, 09:14:00 PM »
He should learn how to phrase his sentences better then.  

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« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2000, 04:26:00 PM »
How is classifying planes by YEAR fair?   Western Europe had a 2 year headstart in WW2 to design planes (when war starts all development budgest massively increase).  Therefore, Western European planes of a given year had 2 more years of wartime development over US or Japanese planes.  Which leaves little doubt as to why some 1944 British or German planes may be more refined than their 1944 American/Japanese counterparts.

In 1943, in the Pacific, the Japanese Ki-61 was the best they had.   Who would want to fly that against 1943 Euro planes like the FW-190A-5 or Spitfire Mk 9e?   Nobody would call them "equals" just because they are of the same year.    What about 1942?  Are the P-40E and Ki-43 as good as a 109G2 and Spit IX?   Not many sane people would say so.  Same goes for 1944.  

To say nothing of developmental problems, political decisions, proximity to combat, etc.

Also, as mentioned, many planes were designed for massively different roles.  however, the ARENA typically ignores these roles--all planes do all roles, fly for all countries, and are always available in unlimited numbers.

Not all planes were created equal.  However, for a game to be fun, things HAVE to be fairly equal.

The solution?

I tend to favor adding planes based on how well they match up with other planes in the game, regardless of the year.  That way the bottom line (the game itself) is fair.


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« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2000, 06:28:00 PM »
It is so difficult to bring into the arena 1944 allied a/c against 1944 axis a/c (jets apart)? We have the exact day when they became operational, so whats the problem? Are P-51D, P-47D/M, P-38L and F4U-(?) not enuff?

Looks like HTC is going to perk the Tempest, why?
"And one of the finest aircraft I ever flew was the Macchi C.205. Oh, beautiful. And here you had the perfect combination of italian styling and german engineering .... it really was a delight to fly ... and we did tests on it and were most impressed." - Captain Eric Brown

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« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2000, 08:23:00 PM »
Methinks:

Perks are being based on performance, not year.

P-51D is the rule for the cut-off mark.

Me 109G-10 is the exception.

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« Reply #74 on: December 20, 2000, 03:19:00 PM »
>>>
In 1943, in the Pacific, the Japanese Ki-61 was the best they had. Who would want to fly that against 1943 Euro planes like the FW-190A-5 or Spitfire Mk 9e?
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Those that actually flew them, of course.