Dornier 335

[humble]

I'm in no way making any ironclad claim. I'm putting it on the same level as P-63's over Berlin....very likely but not proven. My understanding is that a German test pilot flew a fighter that from its description had to be a DO-335 against the Russian bridge head at the ober (sp?) during the final push toward Berlin and was observed to down a soviet fighter and that accounts exist from both the soviet and german perspective on this. If I find the link again I'll certainly post it...

[Scherf]

To my amazement, I once saw a post from German researcher Gebhard Aders ("History of the German Night Fighter Force") which mentioned that a Do 335 had been shot down during a transfer flight over Germany.

Other posters also seemed aware of the event; there was no "wtsweet" or "never-heard-that-before-ing". Apparently Aders has been through the Allied claims for the day in question and believes the Dornier was brought down by the dreaded friendly fire.

[legoman]

that sucks for him, i heard many accounts of accidental friendly fire causing deaths it stinks but proves that no gunner is perfect.

[2ADoc]

Sorry but I lived in a combat environment from 2004 till June of 2009, trust me there is no such thing as friendly fire.  If they are shooting at you they aint very friendly.

[Serenity]

Sorry but I lived in a combat environment from 2004 till June of 2009, trust me there is no such thing as friendly fire.  If they are shooting at you they aint very friendly.

"Friendly fire... Isn't."

[Angus]

The Meteor meets requrements better than the Do. At least it was based in a combat zone in squadron strengths and did engage in combat, although the only "blood" drawn was from V-1's.

[Karnak]

The Meteor meets requrements better than the Do. At least it was based in a combat zone in squadron strengths and did engage in combat, although the only "blood" drawn was from V-1's.

I understand the Mk IIIs stationed on the continent did do strikes on German fields and emplacements.  Was I mislead about that?

[Scherf]

Ground strafes of transport and the occasional airfield from mid-April '45. One Ju 88 damaged on the ground at Nordholz on the 24th, three aircraft destroyed and two damaged at Schonberg on May 3, one of which was a Storch which managed to land before being attacked. (Shores & Thomas)

[Angus]

I understand the Mk IIIs stationed on the continent did do strikes on German fields and emplacements.  Was I mislead about that?

Think you are right. They did mix with 190's If I recall right, but got no kill. But IMHO they basically meet the requirements of AHII, and would add a new spice to it.
Oh, looked it up. They destroyed 46 e/a on the ground as well as doing some other ground attack.
Meteor III would be the choice, stats. max level speed of 495 mph (797 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9.145 m) declining to 458 mph (737 km/h) at sea level. Maximum rate of climb at sea level of 3,980 ft (1.213 m) per minute, and service ceiling of 44,000 ft (13.410 m). So while some 40 mphs less in top speed than the 262, it is still fast, and packs quad Hizooka in the nose. Wingloading lower than on the 262 BTW.
Anyway, back to the Do....

[jolly22]

made in 1943 and can't find anything  about WW2 kills or sorties. I can't trust Wiki so im not goin there.

[humble]

This is the grey area IMO. We look at planes like the DO-335 and it certainly was never deployed operationally due to a combination of politics and the bombing of the original production line. However when we look at the allied side we find the two most potent airframes of the late war were not deployed even though they were operational at the squadron level well before the wars end (F7F/Meteor).

[Bruv119]

rename the thread  dornier - 217 and i'll give you  a   +1    

Everyone bangs on about the he-111, which in the MA would be a turkey shoot / hangar queen only useful for early war and special events.

I think the dornier 217 would be a good addition, it served throughout the war all over and has better specs than the ju-88.

[Anaxogoras]

The Meteor meets requrements better than the Do. At least it was based in a combat zone in squadron strengths and did engage in combat, although the only "blood" drawn was from V-1's.

Now you've done it: http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415

[thorsim]

well there are basic differences in the process of fielding an aircraft type between the combatants

note the british thinking winter 43/44 was the introduction of the 190D.  the must be in squadron strength rule is kind of funny in the sense that a lot of the planes that may meet the hitech requirement never actually saw combat and many planes that do not meet the requirement did see combat ...

the criteria just does not take into account the differences in the situations faced by all the various countries ...

it's a shame, we are missing a lot of interesting aircraft ...

[MiloMorai]

Think you are right. They did mix with 190's If I recall right, but got no kill. But IMHO they basically meet the requirements of AHII, and would add a new spice to it.

Rour a/c of 616 were deployed to Melsbrook Belgium on Jan 20 1945. In March the rest of the squadron joined them at Gilze-Rijen. On April 13 1945 the 616 moved to Nijmegan and 4 days later they flew their first mission, a ground straffing of German transport near Ijmuiden.

Despite a number of display flight the occasional AA round was fired at them. (only one other 2 engine jet was operational > the German Me262)

In the last week of the war, the Meteors attempted to engage some Fw190s but were thwarted by Spitfires and Tempest which attacked the Meteors.

The final base of 616 was Fassberg. During the squadrons time in Europe it often flew from PSP strips.