More Italian planes maybe?

[C_R_Caldwell]

Gatt, the G.55 with DB 603 was called the G.56 & only 1 or 2 prototypes were ever built, so why do you think we would even get it as a perk plane.I can assure you know, 100%, we will never get the G.56 with DB 603 - perl plane or otherwise, so plz come back down to earth from your wishful day-dreaming ;-)

As for the Re 2005, I don't believe we will ever see that in AH either.I'm 85-90% sure of that.However, I believe that eventually there is a *very* strong chance that we will get the G.55. Those of you who are hoping for the Re.2001/2002 etc., forget about it.Unless we have an RPS we will not see them, and even if we did, I believe there is a 95% chance (or more) that we will NEVER seem them either.

What you don't seem to understand is that HTC does not really seem to be interested in Italian fighters guys - plz get that straight.Dreams of getting the Re.2001/2002/2005 (and the G.56 LOL) are simply fantasies.

I'll tell you something.About 5 months ago, Pyro was online in the AH MA.I asked him whether he was going to introduce other Italian a/c to AH and he flat-out told me that besides the G.55 he didn't see a need 2 bring in any other Italian a/c.Now, I hope he just meant fighters and not bombers also, because I think we should at least have 1 Italian bomber (IMHO, the SM.79 if we only got to have one Italian buff) in AH.

What you don't seem to realise is that whilst there is a hard-core of WW2 aviation fans who want to see more Italian a/c, there is very little enthusiasm for Italian a/c in AH. HTC doesn't seem to be very interested, and the average AH player doesn't even seem to know that Italy produced a/c as good as the G.55 and Re.2005 during WW2.Add to that the fact that most Italian a/c were built in relatively very small numbers, and you have a situation where the chance of getting many more Italian a/c is relatively small.

I can appreciate your excitement & enthusiasm regarding having more Italian a/c in AH, but I think you should bring your expectations back down to earth, as you don't want to be any more disappointed than you have to be.Personally, I would like ti see the G.55 & Re.2005, the SM.79, Cant.1007 bis & Piaggio P.108, but I believe that other than the G.55 (and *maybe* the SM.79), we will NOT see any other Italian a/c in AH.So dreaming "what-if"is nice, but plz don't raise your expectations because you will be very disappointed guys.

That's the reality, unfortunately.We get a/c like the F4U-1C in AH (which should be only a perk fighter at BEST) but a/c like the G.55 which should be in aren't...

[M.C.202]

If the plane set ended on July 1, 1943, the Italian aircraft would be at the top of the
list (or at least close).

But the war went on, and the true "perk" Italian aircraft did not get built. :-(


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M.C.202
Dino in Reno

[gatt]

Hi Caldwell,
my feet are on the earth   And I dont think that "HTC does not really seem to be interested in Italian fighters" since actually we have 2 of them in a pretty small plane set. The first two ever seen in a flight simulation, online or offline. I know PYRO likes the G.55, I sent some stuff some time ago and he told me something like "eventually ...". Thats enuff for me and I think for most of the AH italian players. Three italian fiters? Simply unbelievable only 1 year ago. Look, Warbirds took 5 years before even planning to do it. And it is a third party model, not a iEN one. We know it since we've been helping Lemsko for a long time.
About the G.56 ... if we have the F4U-1C we can really model the DB603 engined G.56. Is it all a "what-if?", then you can do it  

[C_R_Caldwell]

Gatt, I'm not sure whether I said that HTC aren't interested in Italian fighters.I know I did say that they are not very interested- there is a difference ;-).I'm very grateful we have the C.202 & 205 - don't get me wrong.Yes, HTC is alone in simulating ANY Italian WW2 military a/c, & 4 that I'm glad.

However, the C.202 & 205 , great as they are IMHO, are still the base-line & easiest Italian fighters 2 include in a plane-set.It's like building a Spit V (or the C.202 in this case) & then modifying the 3D model slightly & giving the FM a thorough tweak and producing a Spit IX (or a C.205 in my analogy).It's the easiest and most logical way of producing a couple of excellent Italian fighters, and HTC should be commended 4 their work.

I think now, however, that it's time 4 the mighty 'Centaur' - the Fiat G.55 2 rear its head in AH.I think that HTC would be right in making the G.55 the last Italian fighter modelled in AH.Considering the relatively small number of fighters built by Italy during WW2 (only a few thousand), having 3 of the best Italian fighters of WW2 in AH would be just fine (of course, we would love ALL of them 2 be modelled, but it's not going 2 happen).

I would hope, however, that HTC introduces an Italian bomber, and if we had 2 choose just 1, then IMHO it would have 2 be the Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 (or S.79 as it is commonly known).One of the best medium bombers of WW2, its service is legendary in the annals of Italian military aviation.It would make a great level bomber, & even more importantly now that we have sea units, a superb torpedo-bomber.Although it wasn't 1 of the fastest medium bombers of its time & its defensive armament wasn't that heavy, it was by all acounts extremely tough & durable (more so than the Ju-88 or Do-217 4 instance) & would give AH an Italian bomber 2 use in scenarios & by fans of Italian military a/c in MA.

Gatt, the reason we won't get the G.56 is simple - only 1 or 2 prototypes were ever made!! At least the F4U-1C ,of which only about 150 or so were built,served with 3 or 4 units during WW2.Whilst I personally think the Chog should be perked and has no place in AH un-perked, it would be ridiculous to expect the G.56 to be modelled in AH!! If we can't even get the Re.2001/2002/2005 modelled in AH (and they actually served operationally, though in small numbers, especially with the Sagittario) how on earth do you expect the G.56 to be modelled, especially since only 1 or 2 protos were ever built & it never flew operationally?!?!

Can you imagine the flood-gates that would be opened if HTC included the G.56 (which I am 1000% sure will NEVER happen)? There are dozens of excellent fighters of which only small numbers of prototypes or pre-production a/c were built during WW2!! We could have the Me 209, the Ta 152C, Go 229 etc etc etc. I'm sorry Gatto, but though you say your feet are planted squarely on the ground, I think you may still be in LEO (Low Earth Orbit)   .

There is simply no logical reason whatsoever 2 include the G.56.Now if HTC had unlimited funds & were trying 2 model every fighter designed and/or tested during WW2 & instead called the sim X-AH (eXperimental Aces High ;-D ) then the G.56 would be a possibility.Otherwise, I'm not sure how you could have ever hoped to see the G.56.Sorry mate, it simply makes no sense at all.It's always nice 2 dream though ...

[This message has been edited by C_R_Caldwell (edited 02-14-2001).]