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Re: Dow
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 02:22:06 PM »
The Dow seems to be dropping along the same rate as Toyota's stock. I would assume this enormous recall has something to do with the Dow's drop.

Did Glenn Beck tell you to buy gold?
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Re: Dow
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 02:23:20 PM »
Here we go again, in the red -268.14   -2.61% 

This economy will never recover!   :furious

it would if people like you would stop yelling about it.  :aok
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Re: Dow
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2010, 02:29:37 PM »
See Rule #14
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Re: Dow
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 02:37:42 PM »
The Dow seems to be dropping along the same rate as Toyota's stock. I would assume this enormous recall has something to do with the Dow's drop.

Did Glenn Beck tell you to buy gold?
http://vodpod.com/watch/2677618-the-daily-show-beck-not-so-mellow-gold

I don't listen to him...  BUT, I did see where gold is selling for around$1200 an ounce.   Wasn't it at about $400 an ounce ten years ago?

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Re: Dow
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2010, 02:51:43 PM »


Last spike was the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Prices will drop when the economy is doing well and people trust the dollar again. The smart thing to do is buy gold when everything is fine then sit on it until situations like now, of course then you are banking on the economy to fail.

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Re: Dow
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2010, 03:29:51 PM »
I don't listen to him...  BUT, I did see where gold is selling for around$1200 an ounce.   Wasn't it at about $400 an ounce ten years ago?

With the gold broker fees and all the other attached fees that I would imagine come with selling your gold off just how much is left after you  sell say an once for lets say $1200? I do not own gold but always thought that the fees associated with selling it would reduce that $1200 to much less.
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Re: Dow
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 04:35:35 PM »
See Rule #14
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Re: Dow
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2010, 05:12:21 PM »
it would if people like you would stop yelling about it.  :aok


One good thing for me Cap is there are plenty of people around me with tons of expendable cash. I have been keeping close to those people as far as doing business with them so hopefully I can weather a large portion of a possible economic storm if it comes. So far I am doing rather well considering many people I know who do the same thing as I do but who knows what's around the next corner. My cars are paid for and my house is almost so things are manageable in that respect but if energy costs along with everything else goes crazy then who knows I am sure all my 401K's and other retirement plans will be useless if that happens.

I have a few bucks on a couple of credit cards but if it gets as bad as some say they can pound sand.

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Re: Dow
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2010, 05:42:47 PM »
I agree.  Problem is... I also think it's the flaw in the model.  The system appears to be dependent upon a level of consumer spending which can only be achieved by taking on additional consumer debt.  This is unsustainable.

I think debt may BE the model. speaking for myself. Times get lean I end up having to take on more debt. You can only trim so much. and then when there isnt enough cashflow to go around and cover everything. The only other option is dept. so I end up spending the lean times going into dept and the good times shedding it.
which is kinda the reverse of everyone else. the only winners are the ones who back credit. No matter what. They win.

For all the talk we hear on TV about credit being made available to businesses. Speaking form my personal experience. Credit being made available to me isnt the problem. I have enough credit at my disposal to keep me in dept for the next couple hundred years if I wanted it.
But you can give me all the credit in the world. A billion dollars worth even. And it still does me absolutely no good without customers calling on the phone.

I can understand why banks wouldnt want to lend to businesses. Same reason why its hard to get a loan for a home if you have no job.

But if the consumer spending problem is resolved, then the credit problem will resolve itself.

I think I have a partial solution at least at the state level (for NJ anyway) the deduction for energy efficient homes is good but it doesnt go anywhere near far enough.
Offer a 10% deduction on the labor costs for any home maintenence/improvement work done by a legally licenced contractor. you could also offer the same type thing for autos.  But to take the deduction you must have a signed form from the legally licenced contractor.

This will accomplish several things.
Encourage the upkeep and appearances of homes and autos thus maintaining their value and energy efficiency/reduced pollution (we can use the "go green" card on this)
By requiring a form signed by a licensed contractor. Many of the illegal fly by night contractors that typical pay no sales or income taxes will either be eliminated or forced to operate legally (One of my largest frustrations now is the amount of illegal businesses I am having to compete with now)

At 10%
it would be alot harder for Illegally operated businesses to do business at the prices they would have to charge to avoid paying tax.

In NJ thats 3% above the sales tax of 7%. But. the deduction is only on the labor portion. This should be more then offset by the sales taxes on material and business and personal income taxes collected from increased business.

Then there would be the trickle up factor (for lack of a better term) For everything there is to be done. there is usually a material involved. From sand and mulch in landscaping to sheetrock, to roofing shingles to paint. All material there would be an increased demand for. Increased demand means more labor needed to acquire and process the raw material into these products. Then it must be shipped and stored before it can be sold to the end users.
all means increased demand for labor= more jobs
More Jobs means lower unemployment
Lower unemployment means a greater amount of people who pay taxes. And more consumers
Pretty soon that 10% looks like a drop in the well.


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Re: Dow
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2010, 07:00:48 PM »
Here we go again, in the red -268.14   -2.61% 

This economy will never recover!   :furious

The Dow and the Economy are two different things.  Confusing the Dow Jones as anything more than a bunch of sorority girls in a catfight over Juicy shorts and Coach purses is ludicrous.  The knee jerk reactions of the DJIA is sickening.
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2010, 12:41:00 PM »
The Dow and the Economy are two different things.  Confusing the Dow Jones as anything more than a bunch of sorority girls in a catfight over Juicy shorts and Coach purses is ludicrous.  The knee jerk reactions of the DJIA is sickening.

true but to think the economy will recover with a crappy dow or that you'll get a substained bull dow with a crappy economy is wishful thinking.
they are tied to each other - like it or not.
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2010, 01:20:20 PM »
The stock market shouldn't be the gold standard in the status of the economy.  At best its an economic indicator.  You've got GDP, unemployment rate, trade, currency, etc etc etc.
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2010, 01:25:44 PM »
The stock market shouldn't be the gold standard in the status of the economy.  At best its an economic indicator.  You've got GDP, unemployment rate, trade, currency, etc etc etc.

Agreed. But my experience is consumers react to what they hear on the news about the stock market. For the same reasons why the markets react. News and emotion.
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Re: Dow
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2010, 01:39:40 PM »
Agreed. But my experience is consumers react to what they hear on the news about the stock market. For the same reasons why the markets react. News and emotion.

How elas are they to know what the market is doing?
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Re: Dow
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2010, 02:14:10 PM »
How elas are they to know what the market is doing?

I th8ink your missing my point. Its now how they hear about how the market is doing as much as it is how they react when they hear about how the market is doing
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