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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2010, 12:34:58 PM »
Only 1 gun on the back.
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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2010, 12:39:53 PM »
Only 1 gun on the back.

They're lookin sweet Fly!

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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2010, 03:41:08 PM »
Only 1 gun on the back.

Thanks Super :)

How bout an Aldis gunsight?

quite a few photos with them installed in a F.2B and a good page for skinners.

http://wingnutwings.com/ww/739377A47475B2388FAF2C217B1E8866

2nd from the left bottom row: Shows the cord for opening the lens cap. The cap was used to keep the oil off the lense :) great shot!


Note: Many other planes made use of them as well in combination with the ring and dot.
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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2010, 06:16:43 PM »
 :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl

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The news had come out in the First World War
The bloody Red Baron was flying once more
The Allied command ignored all of its men
And called on Snoopy to do it again.

Twas the night before Christmas, 40 below
When Snoopy went up in search of his foe
He spied the Red Baron, fiercely they fought
With ice on his wings Snoopy knew he was caught.

Christmas bells those Christmas bells
Ring out from the land
Asking peace of all the world
And good will to man

The Baron had Snoopy dead in his sights
He reached for the trigger to pull it up tight
Why he didn't shoot, well, we'll never know
Or was it the bells from the village below.

Christmas bells those Christmas bells
Ringing through the land
Bringing peace to all the world
And good will to man

The Baron made Snoopy fly to the Rhine
And forced him to land behind the enemy lines
Snoopy was certain that this was the end
When the Baron cried out, "Merry Christmas, my friend"

The Baron then offered a holiday toast
And Snoopy, our hero, saluted his host
And then with a roar they were both on their way
Each knowing they'd meet on some other day.

Christmas bells those Christmas bells
Ringing through the land
Bringing peace to all the world
And good will to man

Christmas bells those Christmas bells
Ringing through the land
Bringing peace to all the world
And good will to man

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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2010, 11:49:55 PM »
Still teasing us huh? Come on make something available in the TA so I can crash it in the lake. :D
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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2010, 08:31:20 AM »
Thanks Super :)

How bout an Aldis gunsight?

quite a few photos with them installed in a F.2B and a good page for skinners.

http://wingnutwings.com/ww/739377A47475B2388FAF2C217B1E8866

2nd from the left bottom row: Shows the cord for opening the lens cap. The cap was used to keep the oil off the lense :) great shot!


Note: Many other planes made use of them as well in combination with the ring and dot.


Great pictures there. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2010, 10:32:37 AM »
Great pictures there. Thanks for sharing.

I thought I've always read that the aldis was pretty useless.  I can't image having to lean foward and put my eye up to a telescope in the middle of a dogfight.  If you're that far away, aren't you too far to be shooting?

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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2010, 11:57:02 AM »
I thought I've always read that the aldis was pretty useless.  I can't image having to lean foward and put my eye up to a telescope in the middle of a dogfight.  If you're that far away, aren't you too far to be shooting?

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Wab

Well Wab,

I think your right about the 1st edition but it was magnified. when they took out the magnification 1v3 to 1v1 and changed from cross hairs to circles, it made all the difference.

"In 1915 Martlesham Heath tested an optical sight submitted by the Aldis Brothers of Sparkhill, Birmingham. It consisted of a 559 mm (22 in) metal tube containing lenses giving a magnification of x 3 and a cross-hair aiming mark. The new sight was mounted on the cowling of a Be.2c with a Lewis gun on the upper wing, and firing tests were carried out at ground targets. The sight proved more accurate than the ring and bead, though on one occasion the pilot nearly flew into the ground whilst looking through it! The sight was then tested in air fighting manoeuvres. Magnification of the field of view often made it difficult to locate the target quickly. Another problem was that the front lens was prone to fouling by oil from the engine, and it was also no longer possible to estimate target range by comparing the wingspan with the ring diameter. Hugh Aldis was therefore asked to submit a sight without magnification, but with a circular graticule which could be used for range-finding, and possibly, deflection. A spring-loaded oil flap was fitted, and leather-lined adjustable clamps mounted on short sturdy brackets were supplied.

"Production Aldis sights were issued to selected front-line squadrons for operational trials in mid-1916. Pilots found the Aldis superior to the ring and bead, and news of a secret new gunsight soon spread to other squadrons. The Aldis was said to possess almost magical powers, and at a time of high casualties the authorities did nothing to dispel these rumours.

By 1917 the Aldis had become the standard British sight for fixed guns. It was usually mounted on the right side of the engine cowling, with the ring and bead on the left. A smaller version was used on large guns such as the Davis and COW, and a version for anti-aircraft guns had a prism which could be clipped into the field of view, giving a set deflection of 30 degrees."

Some also had the ring and bead mounted directly on top of the Aldis sight like in the Camel.
The sight could be used as little as 5" and as far as 12" away. In a few planes the sights were put right through the windshield and in some case's the windshield was just removed.

Here is a good write up about a few of the wwI sights, the Aldis is "part 7"

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=17649

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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2010, 12:39:44 PM »
Well Wab,

I think your right about the 1st edition but it was magnified. when they took out the magnification 1v3 to 1v1 and changed from cross hairs to circles, it made all the difference.

Cool info.  yeah, I guess it could be tied to the zoom-view button to auto-move your head over to behind the sight.  That'd be interesting.  Might be a good trial for some of the WWII craft that had something similar.  Didn't one of the navy dive bombers have a telescopic sight?  Didn't "Aces of the Pacific" have something like that?

Regards,
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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2010, 01:39:08 PM »
Cool info.  yeah, I guess it could be tied to the zoom-view button to auto-move your head over to behind the sight.  That'd be interesting.  Might be a good trial for some of the WWII craft that had something similar.  Didn't one of the navy dive bombers have a telescopic sight?  Didn't "Aces of the Pacific" have something like that?

Regards,
Wab


The 1st edition wasn't used only tested. The sight had no magnification! as it says ^

In the F.2b the sight was mounted in the middle since the gun was underneath the cowling.



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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2010, 08:50:07 PM »
:aok
haha no kidding, this is how they were trained

"If your bad you will lose your parts"


seriously... No, 22 squadron  F.2b mascots
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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2010, 12:20:05 PM »

quite a few photos with them installed in a F.2B and a good page for skinners.
2nd from the left bottom row: Shows the cord for opening the lens cap. The cap was used to keep the oil off the lense :) great shot!

F.2b photo page update
http://wingnutwings.com/ww/074E242D0BD0C724925C6A4D89485F6A
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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2010, 11:47:02 PM »
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Re: World War I Air News: The Bristol F.2B
« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2010, 04:04:23 AM »
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