Has anyone

[easymo]

 had any luck killing a panzer with any kind of plane.

[dosequis]

From what I understand, you have to drill it with cannon. I think this is false, now I have seen pilots vulch panzers for almost an HOUR, with no effect.

I think another Panzer is the answer.

XX

[Zigrat]

it is much harder, and it should be!
Bombs still work tho  

[Cobra]

Yes

Got a couple in a spit IX.  Two of us flew and strafed in formation.

Also got a couple in a Cannon Corsair.  Again, 2 flying and strafing in formation.

Got 1 in a Hvy 38, w/1k bombs and rockets.

Flying and strafing in formation is a blast...would be great to have trains and conveys to do this too as well.

Cobra

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[easymo]

 Planes that have to live in fear of tanks. Thats the sillyest idea, for a sim, ive ever heard of.

 Whats that word they like to throw around? ......realism?

[Soup Nazi]

Rollo killed me easily from the rear last night. Two passes it took, he had a spit.

No soup for Rollo, 1 week!

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[dosequis]

well, if they would model roads and make it prohibitive for tanks to leave roads, then it would make more sense.

Actually, Mig Alley uses single polygons to model forests, and it doesn't noticeably effect framerate. AH really needs roads and forests and make bridges over rivers. Then not being able to hit the damn tank with cannon wouldn't be an issue. Becuase no amount of cannon should hurt a tank coming from above, unless the damn plane is an A-10 with a Vulcan.

XX

[easymo]

 So you have to get on a tanks 6. This gets better by the minute.

 By the way. My father-in-law. Was a 3d army, tank cammander. In WW2. He thought all of this was a hoot.

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[Spatula]

The other night there were a couple of tanks just to the outside of our base. I went up in a FW 190/A8 with 30mm and 20mm and 13mm about 4 times in a row and each time were hitting the tanks good at close ranges in about 5-6 passes each time to what seemed to be absolutly no effect. So i gave up straffing them and got a 38 with rockets and 1000lbers. Finally drilled it will several rockets and a couple of close misses with the 1000lbers.
On my way back past i saw an M3 and pumped 5-6 rockets into it - BOOOMMMMM!  they alot easier  

Tanks are next to impossible to kill by straffing. I think they were too easy to kill before. Maybe they too hard now? I would have thought a panzer would be able to stand up to some 20mm straffing but 30mm? I guess it depends on the rounds used.

Spat.

[Kieren]

 

Originally posted by easymo:
Planes that have to live in fear of tanks. Thats the sillyest idea, for a sim, ive ever heard of.

 Whats that word they like to throw around? ......realism?

Why would you live in fear of tanks, when you have the choice to engage or not?  

I took a 1C up against a tank attack on Rook A9 last night... got 3 tanks in 3-4 passes total. Then the rooks went for the city. I stayed in the 1C and proceeded to take them out. Granted, I had to put more effort into it than pre-1.03, but it was in no way "hard", nor was I ever in danger of being shot down.

Easymo, you have stated that you dislike the ground vehicle concept in this sim before. Can it be that no matter what they do with them you will be unhappy? I think there is a good balance between toughness and effectiveness in the tanks (i.e. you live longer but it is harder to hit anything). I'm glad they are in the game, and even gladder the M3 is in- you have to be on your toes all around now.

What's more (and for those who were complaining ack is ineffective against tanks) ack will kill tanks much quicker now. The days of seeing a panzer parked in the middle of active enemy AA are over.

Yes, I do think perhaps efforts are being made to push the vehicles towards "realism". Trouble is, "real" is what you perceive it to be.  

[Pappy]

20mm......30mm.....hell the Shermans main guns would hardly scratch the german tanks. Bombs, mines, artillery or other tank guns should have an effect but not aircraft machine guns and cannons of the period.
A 35mm modern hyper velocity depleted uranium round today is alot different than a lead or iron core copperwash anti fly boy round of the boogy woogy bugle boy days.

[easymo]

 Choice to engage? Today I had a nice little 9kill sorti started. Im going back to refuel. I hear pings. Then I see tracers comming from a killer bush apparently (no icon. no dot.) Lost flap and ron.

[Rifle]

My ol' man was as arty spotter for Cdn 3rd Div in Normandy (remember Falaise ?).

His comments were that yes you could destroy a tank (Panther /Tiger I etc) with a bomb or arty.

But he also said that many German tanks were torn apart by the Tiffy's 4x20mm.

How you ask ? Well think of the armour or lack there of on the engine cover over the AFV rear ...

Those of you who have played boardgames like ASL shouldknow exactly what I mean.

Cheers,
     Rifle  

[Graywolf]

 

Originally posted by easymo:
Planes that have to live in fear of tanks. Thats the sillyest idea, for a sim, ive ever heard of.

Until they start to appear at 20,000 ft I don't think you need to fear tanks in a plane, even the Spitfire V can disengange at will =)

If you don't attack tanks intelligently then it quite possible you will die, but not always even then *that Mg is not that easy to aim and the muzzle flash makes it even harder).

From my experience of driving tanks, the biggest danger to planes attacking them appears to be the ground =)

[pzvg]

Whaaa! I want one of those unkillable tanks
(the ones I get seem to die quite easily)
Now trees, that would make planes fear tanks,
why? because finding the suckers would be damned hard 'cuz what we don't have here is grunts on the ground telling the airdales where the big nasty panzer is.  

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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"