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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2010, 03:00:20 PM »
Life in prison is cheaper than death, do a little research if you don't believe me. Every single scientific study on the matter agrees.

It shouldn't be though, the bureaucracy and endless appeals and legal stuff is what causes that.

I'm not sure how I feel about it in general.

Some crimes are so heinous that it just seems there should be an ultimate punishment of death.

Certainly cases decided before advances in DNA testing and such were made, should be reviewed and possibly commuted to life.

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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2010, 03:03:33 PM »
Send em to Texas we will take care of it for them.
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2010, 03:19:39 PM »
Such typical mis information posted by the pro death'rs here.

Life in prison is cheaper than death, do a little research if you don't believe me. Every single scientific study on the matter agrees.
No it isn't and not a single study has shown the cost of housing repeat offenders...especially the violent ones..."humane" execution costs more than hanging or firing squad...and the majority of costs associated with executions is the legal work to stop it...the only thing you are correct about is the added cost of keeping an inmate on death row, it's more expensive, therefore expedient execution will keep the accumulated costs down.

There's a study you probably haven't read...percentage of repeat offenders before the "humane treatment" people stepped in shouting for prison reform...it was squashed at the federal level.




Too many innocent people have been sentenced to death. No, a confession doesn't mean they are 100% guilty every time, almost nothing can prove 100% guilt in the majority of these cases.
As long as you have law enforcement corruption, it's going to happen. Technology is beginning to lower the incidence of erroneous convictions, especially when the judges allow the evidence to be submitted without predjudice. And yes, a free will confession does mean 100% guilty by the letter of the law...especially when the scumbag admits to the deaths of victims the police weren't even aware of and he shows them the bodies.



Life in prison is punishment enough. Many lifers have turned their lives around and have done productive things from inside prison. No reason to kill these people.
Tell that to the people who have lost loved ones to the violent scumbags who are still alive in a prison...we already have a prison system that is over crowded, cannot be financially maintained and rife with corruption and prisoner violence...and the answers from prison reformists is what? Higher taxes? Release non-violent offenders early?

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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2010, 04:46:08 PM »
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2010, 06:23:08 PM »
Such typical mis information posted by the pro death'rs here.

Life in prison is cheaper than death, do a little research if you don't believe me. Every single scientific study on the matter agrees.

Too many innocent people have been sentenced to death. No, a confession doesn't mean they are 100% guilty every time, almost nothing can prove 100% guilt in the majority of these cases.

Life in prison is punishment enough. Many lifers have turned their lives around and have done productive things from inside prison. No reason to kill these people.

The death penalty is outdated and barbaric. I think over the next few decades it will be abolished in the USA.

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I'll agree that there has been innocent people sent to death, but also what about the ones caught on camera and other means that without a doubt they are guilty of it without denial. I dont see how life in prison is cheaper then a 20 cent lead slug


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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2010, 07:58:19 PM »
I'll agree that there has been innocent people sent to death, but also what about the ones caught on camera and other means that without a doubt they are guilty of it without denial. I dont see how life in prison is cheaper then a 20 cent lead slug



Then let those guys spend the rest of their lives locked up. Talk to some people who have spent time in federal prison, spending the rest of your life in there may be a worse punishment than death.

Life in prison is cheaper than putting someone to death. There is plenty of research already done on the matter, and it is not entirely for the reasons other posters have said. The research is out there for you if you are really interested in knowing the facts.

And true, it is still not cheaper than a '20 cent slug', but I'm sure glad our country does not have a justice system like that.
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2010, 09:56:24 PM »
I sure wish it did. It might give criminals second thoughts about doing whatever they please. Or change the laws that homeowners and property owners can rightfully defend their property and houses from criminals without fear of being sued by the scumbags
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2010, 10:02:19 PM »
Send em to Texas we will take care of it for them.
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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2010, 10:20:39 PM »
Send em to Texas we will take care of it for them.

doesnt texas has the most innocent people that were sentenced to death?

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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2010, 12:14:11 AM »
Here is the story behind one of Texas latest executions.  There was no doubt about guilt and it still took 13 years for the process to be completed.

Kenneth Mosley, 51, was executed by lethal injection on 7 January 2010 in Huntsville, Texas for killing a police officer in a bank.

On 15 February 1997, Mosley, then 38, entered a bank in Garland. One of the tellers recognized him from a previous robbery at the bank. The teller informed her manager. After the manager saw Mosley, he also recognized him from tapes of the other robbery. The manager returned to her office, pushed the alarm button, and called bank security and 9-1-1.

The manager then went outside and met police officer David Moore, who responded to the emergency call, and described Mosley to him. Moore, who was in uniform, then went inside, approached Mosley, and asked to speak with him. Moore struggled with Mosley, who refused to keep his hands still. Mosley then pulled a 9 mm pistol from underneath his shirt. Several shots were fired. Officer Moore then shoved Mosley through a window. Both men fell to the ground into one of the drive-through lanes. Mosley then stood up and shot Moore while he was still on the ground.

As Mosley was walking away from the bank, a second officer spotted him and ordered him to drop his gun and get on the ground. When Mosley turned toward the officer, the officer shot him once in the wrist. Mosley dropped the gun, then complied with the officer's orders. When searching him, authorities found a holdup note.

Paramedics arrived at the scene within minutes, but Officer Moore was already dead. He had been shot four times. One bullet struck him over the top edge of his protective vest.

At Mosley's trial, a witnesses testified that after the two men fell through the window, he saw Mosley pause to look around, point the gun at Moore, and shoot him.

Mosley claimed that he walked into the bank unaware that he had a gun in his pocket. When Officer Moore asked him what was in his hand, Mosley remembered the gun and pulled it out only to "get rid of it". In the ensuing struggle, he shot the officer.

"I wasn't pulling it out thinking anything would happen," he said.

Mosley had no prior criminal convictions, but the state presented evidence of prior robberies and thefts he had committed, including the previous robbery of the same bank. At the time of the murder, he was wanted for robbing a fast-food restaurant in Mesquite five days earlier. The state also presented testimony that while in jail, Mosley once said, "it would make my day to kill another cop."

As the jury pronounced the death sentence, Mosley exploded into an obscenity-laced tirade and was forcefully removed from the courtroom.

A jury convicted Mosley of capital murder in October 1997 and sentenced him to death. The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals affirmed the conviction and sentence in May 2000. Mosley filed a motion for a rehearing, which was granted. The Court of Criminal Appeals then reaffirmed the conviction and sentence in June 2003. All of his subsequent appeals in state and federal court were denied.

Mosley's execution was attended by Sheila Moore - his victim's widow - and by Garland police captain Bill Cortez. Mosley did not look at the witnesses during his execution. He declined to make a last statement. He was pronounced dead at 6:16 p.m.
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2010, 10:35:09 AM »
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LMAO now THATS funny.

It was intended more as a figure of speech then to spark debate. But ok.

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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2010, 10:38:45 AM »
doesnt texas has the most innocent people that were sentenced to death?

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did you read that on the back of a box of captain crunch cereal?  Link one source, any single source, that definitively PROVES that any single innocent person has been executed in the 20th or 21st century in the United States, or Texas.

Some people say that it is better for a man guilty of murder to be set free rather than to have an innocent man suffer in his place.  I disagree in this respect: No man guilty of murder should ever be set free.  There exist in this world evil human beings that must be killed to defend the larger value of life.
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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2010, 10:50:31 AM »
While I have no problem with capital punishment.

Executing him sooner wouldn't have saved any lives in this case, as he wasn't sentenced to death till after his second and last murder.

What I'm wondering is if it was smart to have a convicted murderer out on a work crew, where he could escape.

Seems smart to only allowed non-violent offenders on work crews. 

I worked with an inmate crew once, while building a new horse arena for the county.  The deputy in charge of them told us not to worry because they were all "non-violent offenders".  They didn't really even guard them that closely, and we had no trouble working with them for a week. 

I just seems a bit odd, that they would release a convicted murderer for a work crew, with weak enough security that he could escape.

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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2010, 11:41:10 AM »
did you read that on the back of a box of captain crunch cereal?  Link one source, any single source, that definitively PROVES that any single innocent person has been executed in the 20th or 21st century in the United States, or Texas.

Some people say that it is better for a man guilty of murder to be set free rather than to have an innocent man suffer in his place.  I disagree in this respect: No man guilty of murder should ever be set free.  There exist in this world evil human beings that must be killed to defend the larger value of life.

Yeah, one problem with that...

If the innocent man suffers in his place, then isn't the murderer free by default?  See, with the first option, you aren't entailing that any innocents are harmed. 

Let me make it really simple so that you can pick apart if need be:

Option One
Murderer is set free
Chance of killing

Option Two
Innocent man suffers in murderer's place
Murderer therefore must have been set free, as he is not suffering (assumed to be jail time)

See, option one is better than option two.

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Re: Oldest Death Row Inmate
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2010, 01:08:06 PM »
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