Buff Guns and some 8th AF gunner Info

[Dowding]

The LW was regularly shooting chutes over Southern England in 1940.

I guess it makes tactical sense, but it's hardly cricket old boy, what?

[minus]

wonder what a hell miracle plane shot down that 2000 ponys ?

[AKSWulfe]

I'm not sure what this wierd romance is with the LuftWaffles that think the real LuftWaffe pilots never shot pilots out from underneath their chutes. There's even stories of Allied pilots not strafing chutes or pilots for the soul reason they flew well.

That's neither here nor there, piloting an airplane in a war zone is no different than running around on the ground with a rifle. You are in a war, you are there to die for your country.
-SW

[fd ski]

Originally posted by Angus:
Hi there.
A retired wing commander and today a historian of the LW told me this:
"You could expect both russians and americans to shoot at chutes, but not the RAF pilots. This was like a silent agreement between the RAF and LW. The few time it was broken by the RAF, the pilot almost always turned out to be Polish, or a Check.
We hold an archive over Chute killers.
We also know of examples where bailed out LW fighter pilots simply wawed at their victors from the RAF, either while in the chute, or after landing on the ground"

While you're at it, be so kind and ask him why LW pilots show chutes and pilots on the ground in 1939, when they were advancing so fast that noone who bailed would even fly again ?

Poles shot chutes, especially in BoB. There is a documented incident when the whole squadron cued up over london..... after Septemeber 1939, they had a very good reason.

Get off that high horse "LW knight in the sky" BS trip.

[Toad]

Originally posted by minus:
wonder what a hell miracle plane shot down that 2000 ponys ?

They lost most of them to groundfire on the strafing runs.

[batdog]

Good grief, somebody has been reading too many books full of BS. War is a squeak. Your there to end the other guys miserable existence. Some guy just tried to off your bellybutton and your gonna be his bud and salute him? I dont think so. Some guy just smeared your buddy all over the damn cockpit and your going to salute him as he bails out of his plane, yea right. I KNOW what I'd do... pump his bellybutton full of lead and spit on his grave.

 There is a REASON why the guys who did most of the killing in combat do not talk about it... it aint pretty and the normal handsomehunk on the street would be totaly shocked/outraged to hear what they had to do to survive.

 These romanatic notions of combat are for Hollywood and the rest of the sheep out there.

xBAT

P.S. It reminds me when I was in training for sentry "removal". It was explained to us that it could take hours to creep up on a guy and "remove" him. You also didnt to the "hollywood" kill ie run the damn blade across his throat..why? He can still bloody scream. You take the point, ram it through the throat, and tear it out... no screaming now but lots of blood. It aint pretty and it sucks ass.

[ 07-27-2001: Message edited by: batdog ]

[Tac]

"P-47
1,043

P-38
451

P-51
2,201
"

heh, and who again was saying the P-38 was NOT sturdy?  

On topic, hell if its such a fricken huge war and you know that every german pilot out there was trying to help hitler and his ideals take over the world AND im flying over enemy territory AND im there to shoot down other planes... hell YEAH ill shoot any damn german chute I see. He wont help hitler anymore and he wont come back the next day and kill me or my buds.

Consider it an investment in survival.

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by DB603:
S!

 Even they were over their own soil,the war in the air was practically over 1944-45.No fuel,shortage of pilots etc.A few pilots against the masses from Allies...wouldn't help LW a bit even the pilot survived the bail.Or were they(Allies) too scared of a few pilots   ;)Oh well..I just disappear and leave this thread...

Got to take alot of things into account. Keep in mind that very late in the wr tha allies were starting to discover the atrocities of the Riech and this didnt help the way they felt about Axis fliers..the enemy they were facing. And on all sides everyone had good friends that were killed and undoubtedly it would be a hard pill to swallow. When I put it all into perspective, along with all the propaganda put out by The opposing propoganda machines..can you not understand how these fliers may have felt and acted the way they did?

From "Thunderbolt"--

"he was coming at me! I had slipped into firing position when he whipped around in a 180 degree turn; I've never seen a tighter or quicker turn in a fighter- any fighter- in my life. That man was good!! He didnt even turn, I thought, just suddenly reversed his flight and ran at me. Several times we rushed at each other, and then i started firing inside bursts as he weaved toward the land. It worked. Twice he ran into a stream of my bullets. The Focke-Wulf snapped over in a steep turn and ran for the coastline.

I didnt want this boy to reach home. The canopy leaped into the air as the pilot jerked the release; I pulled around tight to get my bullets into him  before he could get out of the airplane. He had one leg outside of the cockpit when  the slugs smashed him back inside. Thats one man would never sight again on our planes; if I hadnt got him, then he certainly would have shot down several of our fighters or bombers. He was as good as I ever met. Number twenty-three!"


Bob Johnson wasnt tasked to consider the war was close to being over. He was tasked to eliminate the Luftwaffes ability to fight. The same went for the Germans. Its just war, it aint pretty. Who can sit here in 2001 and judge the actions of those fliers who were locked in battle?

<S>

sincerely--

ammo

[BenDover]

Originally posted by SWulfe:
You are in a war, you are there to die for your country.
-SW

You sir,r an idiot. I belive me sig says it all

On another note,i would blow the toejam out of some1 who just tried killing,just as long as i wasn't low on ammo  

btw,chute killing is stupid in aces high,as there is no penalty 4 death,and u don't get points 4 killing a chute either.

[Toad]

These are not isolated incidents.

If you talk to the guys that were there or read honest history you'll find a lot of "killing after disabling" went on.

The war in the Pacific was especially vindictive.

[BenDover]

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