Author Topic: AR 234 should have an "attack" option  (Read 1070 times)

Offline Jonah

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 210
AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« on: February 22, 2010, 10:54:55 AM »
I'm a fan of the the ar234 and ive accepted alot of the limitations with it and the game. For example, you cant rearm a formation of ar234's and attacking GV's doesnt do anything but hurt ur bomber score because ur supposed to kill objects in bomber mode. However, the fact that this plane can only be scored as bomber is lame because it is a great tank/hangar killer. Recently they made the TBM-3 attack score option available and I think they should do the same for this plane. I personally dont bomb GV's, I use the Hurri IID, B25, or IL2 guns, but this would still be nice option to have for us score conscious tards. Maybe while I'm at it I should suggest making other planes have an attack option like the C205, TA-152(for extended fighter escorts), and the yak 9U.
In game ID now J3WNAH

Sorry Jonah, you are banned from using this forum!
Three day suspension for blatant forum posting rules violation.

"When the time expires you can talk D----" ~Skuzzy

Offline Strip

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3319
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2010, 12:16:29 PM »
Ummm....no, cant see this happening.

Every plane that has an attack option has forward firing guns, the AR-234 only has fix rearward firing guns.

Strip

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2010, 12:19:15 PM »
I think Mr. Lusche sufficiently addressed the issue in the same thread the OP posted in the General forums. 


ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline BaDkaRmA158Th

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2542
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2010, 02:57:51 PM »
Some planes had guns pointed up,to "attack" bomber's from below, some had large cannon rounds that would fire directly down at tanks to "attack" them, some had guns to fire at fighters for defense while "attacking" ground targets. while others had multiple forward guns for ground suppression while "attacking" ground targets. My main point being the guns and direction or reason for them being there is not the point, in each and every case, the aircraft's with such said gun emplacements is always, attacking.


 :rock
~383Rd RTC/CH BW/AG~
BaDfaRmA

My signature says "Our commitment to diplomacy will never inhibit our willingness to kick a$s."

Offline Masherbrum

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 22416
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 04:56:47 PM »
I think Mr. Lusche sufficiently addressed the issue in the same thread the OP posted in the General forums. 


ack-ack

 :aok
FSO Squad 412th FNVG
http://worldfamousfridaynighters.com/
Co-Founder of DFC

Offline Spikes

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15848
    • Twitch: Twitch Feed
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 05:54:43 PM »
Ummm....no, cant see this happening.

Every plane that has an attack option has forward firing guns, the AR-234 only has fix rearward firing guns.

Strip
You can still do everything with rearwards that you can forewards...just backwards!
i7-12700k | Gigabyte Z690 GAMING X | 64GB G.Skill DDR4 | EVGA 1080ti FTW3 | H150i Capellix

FlyKommando.com

Offline smoe

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 941
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 01:55:22 PM »
Technically speaking the F4 Phantom of the 60's didn't have a forward firing gun, but it was used for attacking ground targets as well as fighter cap.

Offline Shifty

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9377
      • 307th FS
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 03:02:07 PM »
Technically speaking the F4 Phantom of the 60's didn't have a forward firing gun, but it was used for attacking ground targets as well as fighter cap.

The F4 Phantom didn't have a bomb sight designed for level bombing. It was designed as an interceptor armed with air to air missiles. It evolved into a multi-role strike fighter.
The 234 has a level bombsight and was designed as a high speed bomber. It never evolved into anything else. You're stirring mud up in the water and
trying to sell fins and snorkels.

JG-11"Black Hearts"...nur die Stolzen, nur die Starken

"Haji may have blown my legs off but I'm still a stud"~ SPC Thomas Vandeventer Delta1/5 1st CAV

Offline Spikes

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15848
    • Twitch: Twitch Feed
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 03:07:12 PM »
The F4 Phantom didn't have a bomb sight designed for level bombing. It was designed as an interceptor armed with air to air missiles. It evolved into a multi-role strike fighter.
The 234 has a level bombsight and was designed as a high speed bomber. It never evolved into anything else. You're stirring mud up in the water and
trying to sell fins and snorkels.
But it was proposed to evolve into a multi purpose fighter/bomber/attacker in the C model.
i7-12700k | Gigabyte Z690 GAMING X | 64GB G.Skill DDR4 | EVGA 1080ti FTW3 | H150i Capellix

FlyKommando.com

Offline Shifty

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9377
      • 307th FS
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 03:39:39 PM »
But it was proposed to evolve into a multi purpose fighter/bomber/attacker in the C model.

As soon as Dale gives you the Ar 234C-3 model hit the attack option and rock on!
It should appear about the same time as the F8F Bearcat and P-80 Shooting Star. ;)
« Last Edit: February 28, 2010, 03:41:12 PM by Shifty »

JG-11"Black Hearts"...nur die Stolzen, nur die Starken

"Haji may have blown my legs off but I'm still a stud"~ SPC Thomas Vandeventer Delta1/5 1st CAV

Offline Spikes

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15848
    • Twitch: Twitch Feed
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 04:21:36 PM »
Reading up on the 234 more and more I found a website that said there were two night fighters in deployment.
Vectorsite.net
Quote
A final inventory taken on 10 April 1945 listed 38 in service, including 12 bombers, 24 reconnaissance machines, and 2 night fighters.

Now what we'd have to figure out if it is credible and which night fighter it was. There was types with a 20mm under each engine, two under the nose...and even versions with 30mms mounted in the front.

Personally it doesn't matter to me...I still enjoy dogfighting and amazing people as I blast them with my rear guns. I'm not in particular a score tard. My score itself is pretty low but I am no timid pilot...just would be cool to see Attack since the 234 did not always level bomb.
i7-12700k | Gigabyte Z690 GAMING X | 64GB G.Skill DDR4 | EVGA 1080ti FTW3 | H150i Capellix

FlyKommando.com

Offline MiloMorai

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6864
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 08:18:02 AM »
I would like to see some proof that the Ar234B had 2 fuselage mounted MG151/20s firing to the rear.

Offline Volron

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5805
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2010, 01:38:10 AM »
"Ar 234B

The RLM had already seen the promise of the design and in July had asked Arado to supply two prototypes of a Schnellbomber ("fast bomber") version as the Ar 234B. Since the aircraft was very slender and entirely filled with fuel tanks, there was no room for an internal bomb bay and the bombload had to be carried on external racks. The added weight and drag of a full bombload reduced the speed, so two 20 mm MG 151 cannon were added in a remotely-controlled tail mounting to give some measure of defence. Since the cockpit was directly in front of the fuselage, the pilot had no direct view to the rear, so the guns were aimed through a periscope mounted on the cockpit roof. The system was generally considered useless, and many pilots had the guns removed to save weight."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234
Quote from: hitech
Wow I find it hard to believe it has been almost 38 days since our last path. We should have release another 38 versions by now  :bhead
HiTech
Quote from: Pyro
Quote from: Jolly
What on Earth makes you think that i said that sir?!
My guess would be scotch.

Offline MiloMorai

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6864
Re: AR 234 should have an "attack" option
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2010, 06:05:54 AM »
"Ar 234B

The RLM had already seen the promise of the design and in July had asked Arado to supply two prototypes of a Schnellbomber ("fast bomber") version as the Ar 234B. Since the aircraft was very slender and entirely filled with fuel tanks, there was no room for an internal bomb bay and the bombload had to be carried on external racks. The added weight and drag of a full bombload reduced the speed, so two 20 mm MG 151 cannon were added in a remotely-controlled tail mounting to give some measure of defence. Since the cockpit was directly in front of the fuselage, the pilot had no direct view to the rear, so the guns were aimed through a periscope mounted on the cockpit roof. The system was generally considered useless, and many pilots had the guns removed to save weight."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234

Wiki. :x