N1K2

[easymo]

 I think I know the feeling your talking about ram. while pulling a rope a dope, in my nik. I have been suprise to see spits keep climbing after me. long after, I would have guessed they were out of power.

[-ammo-]

RAM--

this has to be one of your plugs for LW aircraft. At D1.5 it would be suicide to go vertical behind an AC with a lower wing loading. Of coarse he pulled lead and of coarse he closed on you and shot you down. Why you went vertical with him that close?? You know better. You gave him a big pretty platform shot. You should have extended on out.

 

[JENG]

I'm no expert in this department I fly most of the time by the seat of the pants   but I have to agree with mino and ammo on this one...

1) stallspeed of the N1K2 is lower then that of the G10 so it can keep it's nose up longer.

2) N1K2 is a terrific zoomer G10 is not (it's the best climber) Try this test in the TA... fly a G10 up to 400 mph and then cut engine... go in a gradual 2G climb till pure vertical... note how much alt you gain at point of stall... now try the same with the N1K2, P47, P51, F4... you'll notice a remarkable difference. Of course the difference isn't as great at 300 mph but it should still be significant.

3) I know you know this but I'm gonna say this anyway  ... The G10 is a very good climber... you should have gone in the 270 mph powerclimb (G10 still climbs at 3500 feet a min)... you would have left the N1K2 in the dust...   IMO against TnB fighters don't go in a chandelle... cause most of them can still catch you early on because they can 'cut the corner...

Just my opinion

Bee

[bigred]

another note....

at the very, very top of a zoom... the N1K2 can extend its butterfly flaps and lower its wingloading even lower than they normally are (compared to the 109) and help keep its nose pointed at you for those last couple of seconds before it stalls....  it maybe enough time to get off a shot on a higher foe that cant believe that the N1K hasn't flopped over yet...

-bigred

[Lucchini]

I never follow a 109 zooming. In my opinion 109 is the most dangerous plane to follow in a zoom when u are in a N1k2.
Maybe the Vermillon graph is the explanation of the matter, as I get lot of kills in that way(reducing the angle with less speed lack), in 1.03 as in 1.04, but everytime I try to follow a 109 in a vertical zoom I die.
The biggest difference I noticed in 1.04 is that now u can make several consecutive loopings with the nik,  cleaning your six in this way and sometimes getting your enemy six (I was alone against a p51 and a yak and shoot down both in this way).
And remember, the N1K2 was a great, dangerous plane; it only had several frequent engine problems.

Ciao.

Lucchini

[Karnak]

[Homermode]Mmmmm, automatic combat flaps with mercury activaion, ulhhhhhh[/Homermode]

 

Just a reminder of one reason the N1K2 is so effective.  In reality it had a lot of quality control issues, just as several other aircraft in out planeset did.  In AH everything performs as it was intended to by its designers, i.e. no mechanical failures.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Suave1]

Imagine how crazy the shiden would be if it's automatic flaps were modeled .

[Karnak]

Suave1,
To the best of my knowlege, they are modeled.  Remember, automatic combat flaps do not simply extend the normal flaps.  they have special flaps that they use for combat manuevers, once again, to the best of my knowlege.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Minotaur]

They are modeled in the FM, but not in the graphic.

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[Toad]

Ram, can you get a film of the engagements from the other guys?

Wouldn't that be the easiest way to see what actually DID happen and then investigate if it SHOULD happen?

[RAM]

Sorry,toad, was a H2H, none of us had film on...

But I talked with the other guy (is spanish like me), and he confirmed that what I saw and what he saw were close things.

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-25-2000).]

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
Sorry,toad, was a H2H, none of us had film on...

But I talked with the other guy (is spanish like me), and he confirmed that what I saw and what he saw were close things.

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-25-2000).]

BZZZZZZZT! No film, then its all strictly rhetoric.  

[hblair]

Gotta agree with vermillion on this. His reply says exactly what I was going to say. I actually had considered making a graph exactly like the one he drew up. The Nikki took a shorter trip to the vertical than the G10 did. He cut the corner on you. Its such a small amount that you don't realize it. But it's enough to make the difference in this case.

When a plane is that close behind you his E state is right there with you. I fly the G10 just about all the time, and I am wary of nikkis for good reason. They are very dangerous aircraft especially when flown by the likes of people like easymo.

[indian]

Ram its called lag the plane you saw was probably closer then you thought and your computer painted it doing same move as you did. When he might have just pulled up keeping energy high andas you went straight up he went into wep and closed the distance. He may have had less fuel so plane climbs like bat out of hell. Remember its long ways to you and AH server and back. Im basicly right on top of it and I see some sign of lag in the transmission of data from others to me. Not a great explenation but probably the closes. Try 109e with 25% fuel and watch it climb.  


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[niklas]

Some guys said  heavier planes zoom better. This is imo not correct!

Throw a stone and a feather in a vacuum up with same speed at the beginning, they will both reach the same altitude.

We donīt fly in a vacuum, we fly in an atmosphere. That means DRAG occurs. And you plane can develop power via a propeller.

Imo Zoom performance depends on Power/drag, especially in a very steep zoom where lift doesnīt help much because the direction of lift isnīt any more "up".
109G10 should be the best.