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Offline Sokolov

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Why not add the Ki-44 and Ki-84 ?
« on: October 14, 2001, 07:52:00 PM »
When Aces High will have this two good japanese airplane ?   :D  

And it's dificult to add the Dewotine D520 ?
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Offline oboe

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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2001, 06:20:00 AM »
Soon; many hope as you do.

Not sure how or why the planeset grew so much without adding many Japanese a/c.

Perhaps 1.09 will be a treat for the Japanese fans.  Rumor has it the Ki.67 bomber will make an appearance.

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2001, 08:05:00 AM »
In addition the basic Nakajima airframe could be converted rather easily between Ki-43, Ki-44 and Ki-84.

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Why not add the Ki-44 and Ki-84 ?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2001, 08:46:00 AM »
Hello....

Maybe it is because America is still afraid about japanese aircrafts?   ;)

I remember when I see Pearl harbour in cinema still few weeks later I was afraid in my car when I see a Mitsubishi in the rear mirror. Its because I do not know if they stop build in of guns and cannon when switch to car production.....  :D

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Why not add the Ki-44 and Ki-84 ?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2001, 09:50:00 AM »
Would be nice with some more Japanese planes, KI100 would be nice, Ki84 aswell, Ki43 could be cool  :)

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Why not add the Ki-44 and Ki-84 ?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2001, 11:06:00 AM »
Wilbus,

Your thinking of the KI-43 Oscar. KI-44 is the Tojo or "Shoki". It was descibed by Greg Boyington as a souped up Zero. It climbed better than NIK2 and was just as fast. Better at altitude actually. Was the only Japanese intercepter other than the J2M Raiden or "Jack" to be effective against the B-29. It had 2 20Mill cannon and two heavy MG. It didn't turn as well as the Zero but still better than the Hellcat. This would be a non-perked plane and would soon make the NIK2 look docile.

Careful what you wish for.

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Why not add the Ki-44 and Ki-84 ?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2001, 11:12:00 AM »
I want to see a Ki-43 IIb.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2001, 12:08:00 PM »
F4UDOA, Ki-44 never carried 20mm cannons. A lot of sources (Francillion included) are wrong on this. Of the Ki-44-II series, there were 3 major types.

Ki-44-IIa: 2x7.7mm(cowl) 2x12.7mm ,1x250kg bomb
Ki-44-IIb: 2x12.7mm(cowl) 2x40mm(Rocket Gun) ,2x110kg bombs
Ki-44-IIc: 4x12.7mm (no provisions for bombs)

Often mis-reported armaments for the Ki-44 are (2x12.7mm/2x20mm)-(4x20mm)-(2x12.7mm,2x37mm).

I think the 12.7mm were referred as somthing like "mini-cannon", which may have caused some confusion by translators. Also they used some form of HE 12.7mm ammo. This too would most likely add to the confusion of 20mm vs. 13mm  :) In fact, B-24 bomber crews started wearing flak helmets on flights over the CBI because the explosive content of the IJ 12.7mm shells caused "not nice" results in the bomber cockpits during head on passes.

The 40mm gun on the IIb only had an effective range of 150 meters!!!! It used caseless ammunition, so each 40mm projectile had its own propellant internally, and was expended before the "bullet" left the barrel.
Each 40mm gun carried 10 rounds!
So you only get 20 40mm shots. However, I am pretty sure if they hit it wasnt "nice".


Performance wise, well, its one of, if not the fastest climber (rivaling the J2M) as was said above. 5000m in 4 minutes, 15 seconds. It also could dive at high speeds, has the best power to wieght ratio of any IJ fighter (close rival to J2M). It was fast, could turn inside American fighters (had butterfly combat flaps too), could also outclimb any American fighter as well as out accelerate.

I believe the main problem with this fighter was its lack of range. This is probably why the IJA opted to use the poorer performing Ki-61 series for Island duty. The same would apply to the J2M. While having super performance, it lacked range for operating from islands in the Pacific.

The Ki-84 was an improvement of the Ki-44. The Ki-84 was a more "complete" fighter IMO. While it couldnt climb/accelrate as well as the Ki-44, it had much better top speed at alt, used 20mm Ho-5 cannons, and had much better RANGE!

 :) Sorry I got to talking so much. But I love IJ interceptors.

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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2001, 02:11:00 PM »
Silo<S>

I hate being wrong.

Checked my source TAIC Manual(Technical Air Intelligence Command) and your right. Either 4 50cal or 2 50Cal 2 7.7mil. So it would be lightly gunned. Just as well, would be a real pain in the bellybutton with a climb of 5.5min to 20K and a top speed of 325MPH on the deck and 376MPH at 17K.

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2001, 02:19:00 PM »
Show me the Shoki!!!

Oscar and Frank would be nice too.

I'm not a Ki-100 fan.  Too few built too late, and they were nothing special in terms of performance.

The Nakajima birds were much more important.

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2001, 02:36:00 PM »


Hell on Wings!
You think the N1K2 would give your problems   :cool:

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2001, 02:53:00 PM »
Nice Tojo!  I seem to recall that HiTech in one of his blue moods in the MA indicated that there will they will be adding several more Japanese planes to AH in the not to distant future.  The "not to distant future" is my interpretation but nevertheless, he did say that AH would see several more Japanese Planes.  

Give to me the Ki-84 and a G4M2 Betty armed with an Ohka (Bakka) Bomb (flyable).  Then I'd like to see the Gekko, and the Ki-45 and a B29 to shoot at.
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2001, 02:58:00 PM »
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Show me the Shoki!!!

Oscar and Frank would be nice too.

I'm not a Ki-100 fan.  Too few built too late, and they were nothing special in terms of performance.

The Nakajima birds were much more important.

[ 10-15-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

What about the Nakajima Built Zeros?  Are they inlcuded too?  :D
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2001, 03:00:00 PM »
A6M8 as Perk would be nice  :D

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Why not add the Ki-44 and Ki-84 ?
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2001, 06:42:00 AM »
We got Hurricane, so we need ki-43.
We got F4U-4, so we need ki-84.

I want to see more Japanese planes.  :)